Daniel Pantaleo Has Been Fired

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Sam Wilkinson

According to a faithful reader, I'm Ordinary Times's "least thoughtful writer." So I've got that going for me, which is nice.

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  1. Avatar Mark
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    If you don’t do anything wrong, you shouldn’t lose your job.
    If you do something wrong and it leads to a death, getting fired is a trivial sanction.
    What conclusions should be drawn from this firing other than the people in charge are incompetent?Report

  2. Avatar Chip Daniels
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    In contrast, some good news from California:

    Newsom signs ‘Stephon Clark’s Law,’ setting new rules on police use of force

    https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-california-police-use-of-force-law-signed-20190711-story.htmlReport

    • Avatar James K in reply to Chip Daniels
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      from the article:

      In large urban law enforcement departments that already train for deescalation and crisis intervention, day-to-day policing will probably not noticeably change.

      So only in large urban areas are police trained in actual policing? That explains a lot.Report

    • Avatar DensityDuck in reply to Chip Daniels
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      “Language requiring deescalation and a definition of what “necessary” force means were removed”

      womp womp

      they won’t even have to change the script except to scribble out “reasonable” and write in “necessary”Report

  3. Avatar Jaybird
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    Tomorrow’s post: Daniel Pantaleo Has Been Re-Hired By Neighboring PrecinctReport

    • Avatar DensityDuck in reply to Jaybird
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      It *is* interesting that he actually got Fired fired, not just “agreed to leave the department in exchange for no entry in his permanent record” fired.

      Of course, there’s still a lengthy appeal to work through, and having been thrown a bone the mob may find their hunger satiated. So maybe everyone can come out a winner!Report

    • Avatar Oscar Gordon in reply to Jaybird
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      Yeah, if the firing doesn’t also strip away his credentials, it’s really just a layoff.Report

      • Avatar CJColucci in reply to Oscar Gordon
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        What “credentials” are you talking about? It’s not as though there is some sort of Cop License that makes you eligible for hiring elsewhere, or, more to the point, the lack of which makes you ineligible to be hired elsewhere. If some other jurisdiction wants to take the political heat — and there are probably some jurisdictions where his conduct would be regarded as a feature rather than a bug — it can hire him.Report

        • Avatar Mike Schilling in reply to CJColucci
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          In the private sector, having failed in a way that costs your employer public embarrassment and a ton of money can be a detriment to finding a new job. Below the C-suite level, anyway.Report

    • Avatar Tom Payne in reply to Jaybird
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      Taking your comment literally, in New York City you are assigned to a particular precinct, but your actual employer is the NYPD. Therefore, he wouldn’t be able to be hired as a police officer anywhere in NYC. Having said that, if some town on Long Island, or upstate, or in New Jersey wants to take the heat, they could hire him tomorrow.Report

  4. Avatar Tom Payne
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    {Ed Note: Tom Payne is a banned commenter}

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    If the police have a policy of not using Tasers at the old folks home because of the increased risk of heart failure, and an officer Tases and kills an old man with a heart condition, the heart condition is the direct cause of death, but the officer is responsible for it.Report

  • Avatar Philip H in reply to Tom Payne
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    Actually, failed capitalistic economic led to Garner’s death, in as much as selling loose cigarettes is a “prohibited” economic activity and one of the few he could apparently engage in. His size was not a factor until the Office applied said chokehold to subdue him for trying to be entrepreneurial.Report

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