Linky Friday: 2020 Primary Potpourri


Andrew Donaldson

Born and raised in West Virginia, Andrew has since lived and traveled around the world several times over. Though frequently writing about politics out of a sense of duty and love of country, most of the time he would prefer discussions on history, culture, occasionally nerding on aviation, and his amateur foodie tendencies. He can usually be found misspelling/misusing words on Twitter @four4thefire and his writing website

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  1. Avatar Saul Degraw says:

    I don’t know if the Federalist and the National Review are the best sources on these stories respectively. Bias and concern trolling and all.

    Also the 404 story link does not work. Is that the joke?Report

    • Avatar pillsy says:

      Because it leads him to take some people seriously that everybody else dismisses.

      Sometimes (like here) it’s bonkers-making, but he’s one of the few people who’s ever written anything on the Campus Culture Wars that’s worth reading.

      To the extent that anything about the Campus Culture Wars is worth reading, of course.Report

      • Avatar Saul Degraw says:

        I just don’t know what the point of the Atlantic is in the age of Trump. They seem to be a relic desperately clinging to the past of when noone questioned going to Davos (or Aspen of course because they run Aspen). Of trying to be high-minded no matter the cost to dignity or respect or authority. Fox News, especially in their opinion shows, is a Republican propaganda outlet. Treating it like it is anything thus (especially at the much-less profitable Atlantic) seems like high-minded cognitive defenses against defeat.Report

  2. Avatar Saul Degraw says:

    Speaking of Fox “News”, David Roberts had a good article on how they united the right while the left remains divided:

    “Here’s a familiar story in US politics: Democrats (or the left, broadly) find something, a candidate or a policy proposal, that sparks grassroots excitement and enthusiasm. The enormous right-wing media machine immediately smells blood and targets the person or policy with relentless negative coverage, ensuring that the right-wing base views the person or policy as almost comically evil.

    There is no parallel left-wing media machine to swing around in support of the person or policy. Democrats have no such machine, and they couldn’t get their shit together to be unified enough to run one if they had one. There is only the mainstream press, which the right has conned everyone into thinking is the “other side.”

    Mainstream political journalists have a 24-hour primal howl in one ear and a bunch of infighting, sporadic fact-checking, and white papers in the other, so naturally coverage starts to trend negative.”

    Or as Kevin Drum would say “The Hack Gap is real and the center-left just can’t help themlseves.”Report

    • Avatar LeeEsq says:

      There are more substantial differences between the center-left, further left, and far left than they are between different graduations of the right. It kind of hurts the cause of party unity. That’s one reason why Lenin insisted that once the Party made a final decision, everybody had to support it.Report

      • Avatar Jaybird says:

        Yeah, this is a good insight.

        It’s fun to just ask the question “What is the center-left position on X?”, for any X, and compare to the answer for “What is the far-left position on X?”

        Here, I’ll start throwing some fun ones out there:

        What is the center-left position on pet ownership?
        What is the center-left position on marriage?
        What is the center-left position on team sports?Report

        • Avatar North says:

          It’s somewhat difficult to answer since the far left is rather fragmented like the branches of a tree and you’ll get different answers.

          Center left says “Pets are fine so long as you treat them well” the far left says the same thing or they say “pet ownership is violence against animals and your cats are ecology killing machines” or “Everyone has a right to a state funded support animal and should be able to take it anywhere they go.”

          Center left says “Marriage is useful, people should embrace it if it fits their relationship and married couples tend to do better than unmarried couples long term.” The far left says the same, or it says “Marriage is a hetero-normative imposition and should be banned” or it says “marriage should be free to all including poly marriage and every other form” or it says “Marriage is just a distraction from the revolution by the bourgeois.”

          I can’t even begin to try and extrapolate team sports.Report

          • Avatar Jaybird says:

            Yeah, I was thinking about that too. There isn’t *A* far-left position. There are *MULTIPLE* far-left positions.

            Do we want the Deep Ecology one? Do we want the SCUM Manifesto kinda one? Do we want the Tankie one?

            You will always be able to say “that’s not *THE* far-left position! There are other people who can reasonably be considered far-left who think something completely different!”

            And that’s absolutely true.Report

            • Avatar North says:

              Yep, it’s true to a lesser degree on the right I’d say but the branches are fewer and thicker (and weird- the most coherent, in my opinion, right wing branch has the least adherents and vice versa).Report

    • Avatar North says:

      Ya answered your own question up above, here. The Atlantic exists because the hack gap is real. The Dems are much more weighted to the center population and voter wise, than the Republicans are. The Atlantic caters to that very large segment of the Dem coalition. Write all those peeps off and you’d get rid of the inclination to corporation cronyism, yes and probably also the hack gap, but also you’d dump most of your policy chops, your money support and, of course, a huge swath of voters.Report

  3. Avatar Jaybird says:

    Headline: Kamala Harris owns a handgun. That’s disqualifying for a 2020 Democrat in my book.

    Subhed: Harris, a former DA, apparently thinks it’s fine to own a handgun for personal safety. That’s a position held by the NRA, not progressive Democrats.Report

    • Avatar pillsy says:

      The author of that piece is going to be bitterly disappointed by any nominee, I suspect. Banning handguns is pretty far from the mainstream of the Democratic Party.Report

      • Avatar Jaybird says:

        It’s showing up in USA Today, though. If it were Salon, we could say “Salon gonna Salon”.

        I originally wrote a Vince Foster joke here but deleted it.Report

      • Avatar Chip Daniels says:

        Or maybe more like, a female prosecutor owning a handgun is pretty far down the list of what most Democrats consider a disqualifying event.Report

        • Avatar Jaybird says:

          So maybe this is a pro-Harris editorial trying to elicit sympathy for her among those who are not the most liberal of Democrats? Get even center-right types to say “hey, Harris isn’t so bad after all”?

          Yeah, I guess I could see that.Report