Meanwhile, Back at the Brexit


Andrew Donaldson

Born and raised in West Virginia, Andrew has since lived and traveled around the world several times over. Though frequently writing about politics out of a sense of duty and love of country, most of the time he would prefer discussions on history, culture, occasionally nerding on aviation, and his amateur foodie tendencies. He can usually be found misspelling/misusing words on Twitter @four4thefire and his writing website

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  1. Avatar Philip H says:

    When you make international trade policy and foreign relations based on du IOU’s assumptions and outright lies it’s never going to go smoothly.Report

  2. Avatar J_A says:

    The problem with May resigning is that selecting a next PM goes back to the Tories, and the Tory Brexiters (and the DUP) would not accept anyone that’s not committed to the hardest Brexit. A Boris Johnson or Andrea Leadstrom PM would not hold indicative votes or even MV3. She/he would just do nothing and let April 12 and No Deal happen.

    Amber Judd, Phillip Hammond, and other soft Brexit Tories would either have to vote against the Tory candidate, and for a General Election, blowing up the party in the process, or trade the possibility of No Deal for the certainty of No DealReport

  3. Avatar J_A says:


    Because the Tories are basically a purely English party, allegedly, in the first negotiating session way back when, the European team asked David Davis “What have you thought about the land border between the UK and the EU”, and the answer was some version of “What land border? We have no land borders with the EU” (*)

    (*) Se non è vero, è ben trovatoReport

  4. Avatar Michael Cain says:

    I’ll be wrong about my prediction that the politicians would find a way to bumble into a no-deal exit on March 29, now that the EU has pushed that date out two weeks. I still don’t think they can put together the conditions to get a long delay agreed to by all the players before the clock runs out.Report

    • Avatar Philip H in reply to Michael Cain says:

      Agreed. Reality is here, Brexiteers have to pay the piper for lying their way to this day, and none of them wants to. Sure, all the Torries standing up and publicly saying “we were wrong, we can’t leave the EU without impacts to the economy and thus we really think we ought to stay” might get them all run out of office, but at least in a generation their willingness to own the mess might serve them well, since Labour is probably no better able to get out of this either.Report

      • Avatar Murali in reply to Philip H says:

        Labour, especially the corbynites have been disappointing in failing to oppose brexit sufficiently. Corbyn, pretty much is a brexiteer who happens to be in charge of a supposedly (or at least once upon a time) remainer party. If Labour got rid of Corbyn, things might look up, but the crazies are in charge now.Report

        • Avatar North in reply to Murali says:

          Agreed, Corbyn is pretty much at the heart of this. If that socialist idiot wasn’t sabotaging the #remain side from even before the referendum then they wouldn’t be in this pickle.Report

  5. Avatar JoeSal says:

    Brexit was a illusion of truth, they were never going to go through with it no matter what happened. I’m surprised London hasn’t been burned down yet.Report

  6. Avatar Michael Cain says:

    Tomorrow Parliament is supposed to spend the day debating various options, then do a sort-of ranked voting that will allow the Speaker to see what the preferences are so he can arrange individual votes next Monday. The government hasn’t actually committed to following Parliament’s choice, if there is one.

    As I see it, there are three options that the UK can take unilaterally: May’s deal (if they approve it by Friday), no deal, or rescind their Article 50 notification. The legal default if they all sit on their thumbs is a no-deal Brexit on April 12. Everything other than those three requires the EU27 to hold a special session prior to April 12 and agree to it.

    Meanwhile, the online petition (that makes at least cursory checks to verify the person signing is an actual voter) demanding the Article 50 notice be rescinded is closing in on six million signatures. This is far more than the number needed to require the government to respond. That came a bit ago: “This Government will not revoke Article 50.”Report

    • Avatar Jaybird in reply to Michael Cain says:

      I realized that I was wondering if there was more immigration or emigration over the past few years.

      Welp. Those numbers exist.

      I don’t know what the numbers would need to be to argue that people are voting with their feet but I think we’d all agree that if more people were moving to the EU from England than to England from the EU that it’d be an unequivocal “people don’t like the idea of Brexit!”Report

      • Avatar Michael Cain in reply to Jaybird says:

        So, skimming, it looks like net migration with the rest of the EU is down but still positive. Most of the effect seems to be due to people from the easternmost countries who joined the EU relatively recently.Report