Devin Nunes Beclowns Himself


Andrew Donaldson

Born and raised in West Virginia, Andrew has since lived and traveled around the world several times over. Though frequently writing about politics out of a sense of duty and love of country, most of the time he would prefer discussions on history, culture, occasionally nerding on aviation, and his amateur foodie tendencies. He can usually be found misspelling/misusing words on Twitter @four4thefire and his writing website

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  1. Avatar veronica d says:

    Damn those SJW snowflakes trying to suppress free speech — looks at details — oh wait!Report

  2. Avatar greginak says:

    I demand an Ordinary Time’s Cow twitter account.Report

  3. Avatar Stillwater says:

    This post presents an interesting contrast to arguments presented on another thread in which campus SJWs present a ominous threat to free speech because they’re loud and raucous even while we have a sitting (albeit moronic) GOP CCer actually trying to … restrict free speech.Report

    • Avatar Oscar Gordon says:

      Conservative attack speech which they feel attacks/mocks themselves or their perceived allies.
      Liberals attack speech which they feel attacks/mocks themselves or their perceived allies.

      Not really seeing the contrast here.Report

      • Avatar Stillwater says:

        One is a sitting member of the body which enacts national laws; the other are students.Report

      • Avatar pillsy says:

        There isn’t really. Free speech isn’t actually super popular.

        This means two things: there are a lot of censorious asses across the political spectrum [1], but more importantly those censorious asses are a constant more than they are part of a dangerous new trend.

        [1] A lot of the push for censorship in the ’80s and ’90s came from people nearer to the middle, like Joe Lieberman.Report

        • Avatar Oscar Gordon says:

          there are a lot of censorious asses across the political spectrum [1], but more importantly those censorious asses are a constant more than they are part of a dangerous new trend.

          I agree.

          I don’t think I’ve ever said that censorious asshats are a dangerous new trend, only that the bulk of the desire is coming from the SJ left these days.

          I grew up in the 80’s, I remember the panics over heavy metal & AD&D and oh so many other things the religious right just had to ban! Hell, I still recall them getting the vapors over Harry Potter. And back then, I was advocating against them.

          The pendulum, it swings.Report

          • Avatar Stillwater says:

            only that the bulk of the desire is coming from the SJ left these days.

            If you read Popehat’s stuff (as a point of reference), the actual *legal* challenges to free speech consistently come from the right.Report

            • Avatar Oscar Gordon says:

              Ya know, I need to start doing that again (time, time, if I only had more time…).

              You are probably right, and I suspect the college campuses will, in time, and after a few painful lawsuits, go back to letting the kids yell at each other, and stop trying to officially take sides.Report

              • Avatar pillsy says:

                Yeah I got an up close and personal view of the Campus Speech Wars the last time around and there was just far less than meets the eye. I think a lot of the attention happens because journalists hear about them through their kids, alumni networks, and the like.

                One of those areas where the “elite” school pedigree really seems to make a difference is journalism.Report

          • Avatar pillsy says:

            The pendulum swings, but it seems the legal battles have largely been won by the right side since then. I don’t really see that changing in the future.Report

            • Avatar Jaybird says:

              We’ll see what happens when we get past the “private corporations are not in the public square and therefore can refuse service to whomever they want!” phase.

              Having moved from “the first amendment is a freedom of speech thing!” to a “freedom of speech is a first amendment thing!”, I imagine it will accelerate things.Report

              • Avatar pillsy says:

                We’ll see what happens when we get past the “private corporations are not in the public square and therefore can refuse service to whomever they want!” phase.

                Why do you think we’ll get past that phase?Report

              • Avatar Jaybird says:

                Because it will eventually be inconvenient to people in power.

                Why do you think we won’t move past it?Report

              • Avatar Stillwater says:

                The number of times you’ve been wrong about worst case Cassandra scenarios ought to give even you pause about believing them now. 🙂

                You’re the broken watch, dude.Report

              • Avatar Jaybird says:

                That’s not a worst case scenario.

                It’s merely a checkpoint on the way to the worst case scenario.Report

              • Avatar Stillwater says:


                I think the point here is that you’re always seeing signs that Armageddon is upon us (run!!!) rather than signs that things are getting better or staying the same. That’s a reflection of your character, not the world we live in. I mean, people like you have been prophesying the End Times for over two thousand years, right? (Even while you, specifically, *also* argue that quality of life is better for more people now than ever before.)

                Add: And I know that Maribou has cautioned us about this aspect of your personality. Still, I can’t help but point it out.Report

              • Avatar pillsy says:


                Why do you think we won’t move past it?

                Because it will remain convenient to the people in power.Report

              • Avatar Jaybird says:

                Well, if things are getting better and better, I guess I just need to stop and smell the roses.

                This is just a small hiccup in the Pax Americana, surely.Report

              • Avatar Stillwater says:

                The Roses are what make your “divorce or war” scenario very unlikely. Most of the shit driving our politics exists many levels higher than people’s ability to put food on their families.Report

              • Avatar Jaybird says:

                Trump is, surely, just a hiccup in the Pax Americana.

                We just get rid of the Electoral College and, poof. Easy peasy.Report

              • Avatar Stillwater says:

                IF Trump brings about “divorce or war” I promise to buy you all the food you can eat and liquor you can drink at the restaurant of your choosing. Maribou, of course, is also invited to our Armageddon dinner.

                What will you buy me if you’re wrong?Report

              • Avatar Jaybird says:

                You see potential causes where I see necessary pre-reqs.Report

              • Avatar Stillwater says:

                Where are we eating if you’re wrong Jaybird?

                I wanna know where to book reservations.Report

              • Avatar Stillwater says:

                Pepper Tree?Report

              • Avatar Jaybird says:

                Sure. 2028.

                (I’m already waiting to see if there is something akin to a “black market” in medical care by 2025 due to a prediction I made back in 2010. I still owe Michael Cain two beers. We can pick him up and get him drunk.)Report

              • Avatar Michael Cain says:

                @stillwater, Hit ’em up for a night at the Broadmoor, with dinner, drinks, and breakfast there.

                The only time I ever stayed there I was making a technology road show demo work*. My recollection is that it would have been nice to have been able to pay more attention to the hotel and food.

                * I had it in writing that the hotel would provide us with 2×75-amp service in the ballroom. They wrote it up as 2×50-amp for the hotel head electrician. After I tripped the breaker the first time, he and I settled on I’d give him a private tour of the tech and buy him two single-barrel bourbons, he’d ignore the order and give me the 2×75-amp service. Power was one of the smaller problems that had to solved.Report

              • Avatar Stillwater says:

                The stakes just got higher Jaybird. Broadmore it is. Our reconnaissance mission in or around Castle Rock is limited to discussions resolving the timing of the payment you owe, not the location. These principles are now non-negotiable.

                I don’t know if the previous record reflects this but it was my intention to include a round of golf in the payment structure should you lose the bet. My attorneys will be in touch regarding those provisions.Report

              • Avatar Stillwater says:

                With electric carts!Report

            • Avatar veronica d says:

              You can win in court, but only after you hire an expensive lawyer. These lawsuits are a form of bullying, and I’m guessing they are heavily funded by wealthy right wingers.

              It’s an abusive tool. The idea that “the left” is worse is largely a media generated smokescreen.Report

              • Avatar pillsy says:

                I think there’s an element of moral panic there, too. It’s a “kids these days” thing, and the people pushing the scare stories have more in common with the fundies flipping out about AD&D than the campus activists do.Report

            • Avatar Maribou says:

              @stillwater I’m allergic to pepper, so not there.

              Places I’m deeply allergic to not included, I think if he’s wrong you should get to choose the restaurant, food and libations. It only seems balanced.Report

              • Avatar Stillwater says:

                Oh I know, but I was thinking of it as a fun weekend getaway to the Springs and I don’t know any restaurants that are punishing to the pocket book. You guys do. 🙂Report

              • Avatar Maribou says:

                @stillwater Wait, I forgot the Pepper Tree is not the place I always think it is, but rather a place I keep meaning to check out and then forget because I get it confused with that other place. I withdraw any and all objections to it.Report

              • Avatar Stillwater says:

                Noted and settled. Pepper Tree it is. As an aside, Jaybird’s “2028” thing is making me a little leery about the terms, gotta say. That’s, what ( begins counting on fingers…), a long time from now.Report

              • Avatar Maribou says:

                Well, maybe we should meet up in Castle Rock one of these days soon and discuss terms over lunch. Or supper.

                We liked this place:

                But if there’s a joint you prefer that would be fine too.Report

              • Avatar Stillwater says:

                Sorta like sending out the diplomatic team to iron out big obstacles in advance of more refined negotiations undertaken by the policy team. The only difference is that we’d be both teams.

                Let’s do it. Tho I’m alright with eating at Pepper Tree and Jaybird picking up the tab. I mean, let’s be real here. No way divorce or war happens before 2028. 🙂

                My wife’s on vacation right now. When she gets back we’ll talk more about logistics.Report

              • Avatar Maribou says:

                I approve of this plan.Report

              • Avatar Jaybird says:

                Hey, I said it was coming. As for my scenario above, I was talking about getting past the “private corporations are not in the public square and therefore can refuse service to whomever they want!” phase.Report

              • Avatar Stillwater says:

                See? This is why we need a meeting to iron out the terms. Jaybird’s already implying he *won’t* denuclearize the peninsula.Report

  4. Avatar Mike Schilling says:

    Devin Nunes beclowns himself. Also, Francisco Franco is still dead.Report

  5. Avatar DavidTC says:

    The headline here makes no sense. How can a professional clown ‘beclown’ himself? It’s like talking about the ocean taking a bath.

    It should have been ‘Professional clown continues to act like a clown’.

    Note: I am aware there is some dispute over whether Nunes is a professional or amateur clown, but he is clearly being paid by Russia, so in my book, he counts as professional.Report

  6. Avatar Saul Degraw says:

    More seriously, the way I think of the GOP and MAGAs under Trump is the way that Talleyrand described the Ancien Regime coming back to power after the French Revolution. “They learned nothing and remember everything.”

    The modern right-wing with people like Nunes is incredibly thin-skinned and recalls every defeat, every insult, every burn, etc. I’m pretty convinced that Trump decided to run for President when he was fuming at Obama for roasting him at the White House Correspondent’s Dinner way back during Obama’s first term. They really don’t give a fuck about any perceived hypocrisy and think rules are for other people.Report

    • Avatar Stillwater says:

      “They learned nothing and remember everything.”

      That’s a great phrase!

      Unfortunately for me, I’ll remember it without learning from it….Report

      • Avatar Saul Degraw says:

        They remembered every thing the third estate did to them but not what caused the third estate to do it in the first place.Report

  7. Avatar Kolohe says:

    The foundation of the @DevinNunesMom lawsuit is apparent but the @DevinCow lawsuit should be immediately moot.Report

  8. Avatar InMD says:

    I’m always bewildered that these peoples’ handlers let them do things like this. You’d think there’d be at least one person who understands the Streisand effect, or at least who can do a basic cost/benefit analysis.Report

    • Avatar Saul Degraw says:

      It is a whole wingnut ecosphere. These suit and the the two Covington suits demand 250 million. This makes me wonder whether there is a person willing to front the legal fees like Peter Thiel fronting fees in the Gawker case.

      The lawyers involve also seem to be MAGAs.

      The right wing has a lot of rich guys who seem willing to fund loss leaders as along as it pushes their ideology. The left not as much. Hence Pacifica’s constant struggle to keep the lights on.

      I also don’t see the Streisand effect. People who think this suit is insane already loathed Nunes. His supporters are probably thinking “You go Nunez! Show those library’s. Now let me watch reruns of Judge Jeannie on Fox.”Report

  9. Avatar Tracy Downey says:

    Excuse me for this but… HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

    I tend to think Nunes planned to “milk this for all its worth” and yet it backfired. The sensitivity, my goodness.😂👍🏻Report