Thursday Throughput for 3/14

Michael Siegel

Michael Siegel is an astronomer living in Pennsylvania. He is on Twitter, blogs at his own site, and has written a novel.

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  1. bookdragon says:

    [thTH1] Here in Philly, a whole group of Temple Univ. students have come down with the mumps. The university is now offering vaccinations through health services for any student whose anti-vaxx idiot parents left them unprotected. Also, planning to require proof of MMR for admission to main campus.

    The only good thing I can say about anti-vaxxers is that they have given the next generation a healthy way to rebel (“F- you, mom! I’m getting vaccinated!”)Report

    • A dozen or so years ago when I went back to graduate school, all admissions at the University of Denver were contingent on the student showing proof that they met the school’s vaccination requirements. I was exempt because I was born before a certain year: 1957, IIRC. I met one student who had never been vaccinated as a child and had spent an unpleasant summer getting all of the necessary shots at the necessary intervals.Report

      • fillyjonk in reply to Michael Cain says:

        I had to get re-vaccinated for MMR back in…1991, I guess it was, when I started grad school for the second time. They said they had “insufficient proof” of vaccination records. (Even though my family all knew I had been through two rounds as a child: the normal round as a baby, but went through it again at age 6 or so, because the pediatrician we had at the time said he suspected the early-70s MMR vaccine wasn’t good (???). That doctor had died since then and we didn’t have complete records of vaccinations. (Also I was in a different state from where I grew up)

        But whatever. I got the shot because they told me to. I also had to get a Tdap at the same time (I was due for a booster) and THAT was the bad one – I don’t know if it was the two vaccines at once or what but I had lots of swelling in that arm and actually had to wear a sling for a day or two to try to keep people from jostling me and making it hurt.

        The only upside? Campus health didn’t charge me for the MMR shot because it was a “surprise” – I walked in there to get the TdaP and was told I needed MMR too.Report

        • Richard Hershberger in reply to fillyjonk says:

          TdaPs often hurt. I don’t know why. I get my routine shots with no side effects, but the last time I got a TdaP my arm hurt for three days. I am told that this is not unusual. Needing a sling seems excessive, but my guess it is merely the “excessive” end of the range of reactions.Report

        • Michael Cain in reply to fillyjonk says:

          I’m from an era (and area) where immunization to childhood diseases was obtained via “measles sleep-overs”, organized by moms as soon as someone in the grade-school class caught one of those diseases. I’m a rarity — I had mumps twice, about a year apart.

          I vaguely recall being told by DU that the 1957 cut-off was based on statistical studies that showed people born earlier had, as a population, a higher level of immunity from having had the diseases than the younger population whose immunity was from vaccines.Report

          • Oscar Gordon in reply to Michael Cain says:

            Chicken Pox for me. Since mom ran a day care, it was a regular thing to have a Chicken Pox weekend. At least until the vaccine became available. Then mom just told everyone to get vaccinated (she was adamant about shots, if the kid wasn’t up to date on their shots, they weren’t going to her day care).Report

        • bookdragon in reply to fillyjonk says:

          The early 70s MMR weren’t good, in that they were only partially effective. I had the second vaccination pre-kindergarten and got mumps anyway, but had a milder case than the boy next door who hadn’t been vaccinated yet.Report

  2. Jaybird says:

    If *I* were an asteroid looking for a place to hit the earth, I’d think that the caldera in Wyoming might be the best “bang for the buck” place to hit.

    The stickiest part of the San Andreas was tempting for a few minutes, but that’s really only going to have an effect for… what? A couple of weeks before the new normal establishes?

    The caldera could provide fun for decades.Report

  3. Road Scholar says:

    ThTH1: I think it’s interesting that they found that unvaccinated kids had a higher rate of autism. I wonder if something like the following is going on: A couple has a kid, kid gets his shots, then kid is diagnosed with autism. Couple has another kid, blames autism of #1 on shots, kid #2 doesn’t get shots but is also diagnosed because genetics.

    So there’s no relationship one way or the other between vaccination and autism, but there is some heritability. The mistaken notion of the anti-vax crowd results in the non-vax kids being a non-random sample biased towards families with a genetic predisposition to autism.Report

  4. Road Scholar says:

    ThTh2: My takeaway here is that if we find an asteroid that’s going to hit earth in a few years it’s ok to go ahead and hit it with a nuke or three to alter its trajectory. The fear there has always been that you would just convert a bullet into a shotgun blast that may be even worse than the intact asteroid strike.Report