House of Commons: No Deal for May’s Government on Brexit


Andrew Donaldson

Born and raised in West Virginia, Andrew has since lived and traveled around the world several times over. Though frequently writing about politics out of a sense of duty and love of country, most of the time he would prefer discussions on history, culture, occasionally nerding on aviation, and his amateur foodie tendencies. He can usually be found misspelling/misusing words on Twitter @four4thefire and his writing website

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  1. Avatar North says:

    Good, now if Corbyn would just pull his head out of his ass maybe they can get a new referendum.Report

    • Avatar Doctor Jay says:

      I would not hold my breath for any British politician to perform the necessary craniogluteal surgery.Report

    • Avatar Michael Cain says:

      I’m certainly not holding my breath.

      Presumably tomorrow Parliament votes against a no-deal Brexit, and on Thursday votes in favor of asking the EU for an extension. Pretty much everything I’ve read suggests that the EU’s response will be, “To what end?” France and Spain have both said they will reject an extension unless the UK has a concrete new proposal. It seems unclear whether “We’d like six months to hold another referendum” would be sufficient. The experts all seem to think that doing a referendum properly would take at least 24 weeks. A long delay would also require the UK to held elections for MEPs at the end of May, something some of the EU member states seem to be opposed to. PM May seems disinclined to rescind the Article 50 notice. Parts of Labour are muttering about new general elections.

      I still think they’re going to bumble into a no-deal exit when the clock runs out.Report

      • Avatar North says:

        I guarantee you that if the British asked for an extension to hold a second referendum the EU members would not only grant it but also throw a parade. Odds are pretty good that the remainers would turn out a lot more than before whereas the brexiters already did all they could.
        Labour is, of course, muttering about an election now because only May and her Tories could possibly loose to Corbyn so this is the ol’ loons big chance.Report

        • Avatar InMD says:

          I would never be bold enough to make a prediction but I’ve been curious if Brexit wouldn’t ultimately turn out the same way the French rejection of the EU constitution did. Obviously the stakes are higher but I just can’t see them stepping off the box now that they’ve tied their own noose. It wouldn’t only be the end of their economy for the foreseeable future but maybe the end of the UK.Report

          • Avatar North says:

            The first Brexit referendum occurred in a climate where the #brexit folks were highly energized,; they actually got to vote on their pet policy; whereas the #remain folks were tinged with a great deal of incredulity- they wouldn’t be crazy enough- not enough people would vote that way- no one would be that starkers- etc…
            There’s no ambiguity or incredulity now. The young, the Londoners, the business folks- they can’t be taken by surprise now. I expect the Brexit folks turned out about as much as they could but there’s a lot of growth room on the remain side of the coin. If they get another shot at a vote I would presume #remain will win. The brexit people think so too- that’s why they so emphatically don’t want another vote. The Tories think so too- it’d be their near worst outcome: Cameron put the country through all that as a political stunt, then it got defeated and everyone, brexit and remainers, ends up blaming the Tories for how it turned out.Report

            • Avatar Stillwater says:

              Round 2: “If we leave the EU, the 350 million pounds per week Britain pays in dues will instead go directly to the NHS. And this time I mean it!”Report

        • Avatar Michael Cain says:

          I’m prepared to believe the EU would respond that way: a referendum is something concrete. I am not prepared to believe that there is any way that this government, and this Parliament, is capable of producing an extension request that explicitly says “We’d like six months for another referendum and ‘Remain’ is required to be one of the choices.”

          I am looking forward to Thursday in a trapped-watching-a-train-wreck sort of way, to see what the government puts before Parliament, and whether amendments are allowed.Report

  2. Avatar Dark Matter says:

    This is why I like things being tested at a state level. There are a lot of stupid ideas that should be shown off as examples of what not to do.Report

    • Avatar Stillwater says:

      Britian leaving *is* the test at the state level, Dark.Report

      • Avatar Dark Matter says:

        Exactly. It’s the equiv of California or New Jersey leaving the union. The rest of the EU gets to learn what happens, and it’s probably going to be ugly. I’d prefer Greece left because they’re smaller and we trade with them less, but whatever.

        If bad ideas are going to be tested I’d prefer they not be tested at a US federal level, which would be the equiv of the entire EU.Report

  3. Avatar LeeEsq says:

    The entire world seems to be falling into political incompetence these days.Report

  4. Avatar Kolohe says:

    Is this a record for the number of votes going against a UK PM and that PM still having a job?Report

  5. Avatar Michael Cain says:

    Internet technology makes it possible for me to live-stream Parliament’s debate to my desktop. Now, I need something that helps me understand a thick Irish accent.Report