Hark! Folks Not Running for President in 2020

Andrew Donaldson

Born and raised in West Virginia, Andrew has since lived and traveled around the world several times over. Though frequently writing about politics out of a sense of duty and love of country, most of the time he would prefer discussions on history, culture, occasionally nerding on aviation, and his amateur foodie tendencies. He can usually be found misspelling/misusing words on Twitter @four4thefire and his writing website Yonder and Home. Andrew is the host of Heard Tell podcast.

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  1. Saul Degraw says:

    Sherrod Brown also announced he is not running.Report

  2. Jaybird says:

    Uncle Joe demonstrates the whole tension that exists with the Primary thing.

    I think he could win the election.
    I don’t think he could win the primary.Report

  3. Tracy Downey says:

    Brown’s decision to not run means Biden will. Same reason why Bloomberg is bowing out. There are zero contenders on the Democratsside that can beat Trump except Klobuchar. But with all the mean boss stories coming out, its clears certain vindictive, non- democrat is playing dirty to eliminate his biggest competition. I think Biden is waiting on O’Rourke. But I already made this prediction: without Biden Trump will win re election as long as democrats move further to the left, the obscene, dig deep into their own heels to defend anti-Semitism… Too extreme, and they’ve abandoned the center and independents.Report

    • Stillwater in reply to Tracy Downey says:

      There are zero contenders on the Democratsside that can beat Trump except Klobuchar.

      I think there are others (Hickenlooper, Inslee) but that Klobuchar is the only candidate (prospective or declared) who can both win the primary and beat Trump. So basically I agree with you. The problem Dems have right now is that they're on a trajectory set to nominate someone who large chunks of the Democratic base will actively dislike. (Similar to last election cycle…)Report

      • greginak in reply to Stillwater says:

        I’m not seeing this. Which of the major contenders will be disliked by most D’s? How does that even equal the clintonhate of last cycle?Report

        • Stillwater in reply to greginak says:

          I didn’t say most Ds, I said big chunks of the Ds.

          Who? Every one of them except Amy K, seems to me.

          Adding: and even she would prolly get pilloried by the progressive left if she ever became the frontrunner…..Report

          • Chip Daniels in reply to Stillwater says:

            Yeah, I’m not seeing a whole lotta Warren hate, or Harris hate, or Gillibrand hate out there.

            What am I missing?Report

            • Saul Degraw in reply to Chip Daniels says:

              You are missing that cranky middle aged white guys will be cranky middle-aged white guys and pretending to know the Democratic Base’s inner thoughts is the god-given right of all armchair pundits.Report

              • Chip Daniels in reply to Saul Degraw says:

                Yeah, I just saw a headline about Bill Maher getting his panties in a bunch about “Social Justice Warriors”.

                It’s like there is this class of white liberals who are unsettled by the new generation of activists like OAC whose vision of a just society is at variance with Maher’s 1970’s National Lampoon vintage.Report

              • Stillwater in reply to Saul Degraw says:

                On the other hand … you two cranky white guys continue to think Hillary was a good candidate. 🙂Report

          • Jaybird in reply to Stillwater says:

            I wouldn’t say that I’ve seen Warren hate as much as I’ve seen Warren cringing.

            As for Harris, I’ve seen a number of people argue that Harris needs to answer for her time as enthusiastic prosecutor (especially prosecuting black males) and the responses to this criticism take the form of “you don’t *REALLY* care about that!” or “no one will ever hate strong black women more than black men”.

            Gillibrand doesn’t suffer from hate but from indifference. (Nate Silver points out that she doesn’t have a single endorsement from the 900+ potential Democratic endorsers.)Report

          • Chip Daniels in reply to Stillwater says:

            Beltway Wisdom: In order to be electable, Democrats need to stand up to Black Lives Matter and not be so fixated on identity.

            Also Beltway Wisdom: In order to be electable, Democrats need to be more sensitive to police oppression of black males.

            OK Then!Report

          • Jaybird in reply to Stillwater says:

            Well, then you have to pick one.

            Do you care about Black Lives Mattering?
            Or do you say “Hell with catering to identity!”

            Harris seems to have chosen the latter.
            California, at the same time, has moved its primary up. (It was in June in 2016. It is scheduled for March in 2020.)

            Surely this will help Harris leapfrog to the frontrunner position and put the naysayers in their proper place.Report

          • Chip Daniels in reply to Stillwater says:

            “you have to pick one”

            Sez who? Where are these Iron laws of Campaign Winnin’ written down?

            Which is a sense is true- no matter what position one takes, there will be some constituency somewhere that is implacably opposed.

            But…that’s just Politics since the beginning of time. And that’s why politicians learn fast how to dance and be on every side of every issue, to massage egos and agendas and build coalitions out of opposing forces.Report

          • Burt Likko in reply to Stillwater says:

            Progressives: “Harris was an aggressive prosecutor who did not agree to trans rights in California prisons, took cops’ side of disputes when she didn’t have to, and did nothing to stop the weight of the criminal justice system from falling upon the shoulders of black defendants!”

            General election voters: “So… what’s the downside?”Report

          • Jaybird in reply to Stillwater says:

            Well, if you start dancing, it’s ideally best to argue both that Black Lives Matter *AND* that we need to get rid of identity politics.

            Hillary’s problem was that she danced in such a way that said “Black Lives Matter Because All Lives Matter” and “Identity Politics Yesterday, Identity Politics Today, Identity Politics Forever!”

            Which pissed off juuuuuuuust enough people to lose to freaking Trump.

            Burt makes an interesting point about the General election, but the consensus establishment candidate will have to dodge the progressives for a few months first… which brings me back to how the criticisms have been handled so far. There are ways to deal with the questions she’s been asked in a good, solid way that gets people to say “yeah, she made the best of a bad situation” and only the nuttiest of the nuts would disagree (and scream something about Bernie).

            Her skills remind me more of Hillary than Bill so far.

            But we’ve got 20 more months of this shit.Report

          • Aaron David in reply to Stillwater says:

            The problem with a girl like Kamala is she is an SNL candidate. Not ready for prime time. Like Hildog, she never really had to run in a contested election. She never had to bob and weave through a crowded field. And most importantly, she never had to deal with an angry public. She was ideal, at least until she came across people who hate her ideals. And questioned her about them, instead of her race, sex or taste in sweaters.

            I’mabe blunt here. Kamala fucked her way into politics and she is going to fuck her way out of politics.Report

          • Burt Likko in reply to Stillwater says:

            Steve Cooley came within one point of Harris in 2010 and the Democratic primary was heavily contested. I’ll grant that her re-election in 2014 and her Senate election in 2016 were walks.

            The “not ready for prime time” criticism is a reasonable one. I didn’t think Obama was ready for prime time in 2008 but I was wrong about that.Report

      • Tracy Downey in reply to Stillwater says:

        Completely agree. The problem with democrat leadership overall is they don’t have a strong message that appeals to independents, center right, or center left. Their infighting is proof positive they’re no different than populists on the right. We’ll have to see if Biden pushes the party to the center. They’ve boxed themselves in with late term abortion, failure to address infanticide, failure to acknowledge border security, the AOC fiasco, and finally, Omar. Arrogance doesn’t win over the center-it alienates. Still holding out for a GOP primary.Report

        • greginak in reply to Tracy Downey says:

          It is absolutely expected and typical for there to be some infighting and conflict between the various front runners and the …umm…many back runners at this point. They are staking out positions and campaigning. That is the way it always is this far out and for several months into the future.Report

        • I am curious what Democrats have to say to Wisconsinites and Michiganders and Pennsylvanians that will compare to Trump’s empty but glittering promises to bring manufacturing jobs back. Haven’t heard anything yet.Report

          • Other than some tweets, there wasn’t much coverage that the Lordstown Assembly plant of GM rolled out their last car yesterday, marking the beginning of closure announced back in November. The video of Trumps campaign rally proclaiming things there juxtaposed with what happened will carry weight there and write themselves. Will it be enough? IDK, but we have enough evidence that any erosion to Trump’s base isn’t going to be from ideological argument. Economic pain might do it, and honestly is probably the only thing that will do it.Report

          • Jaybird in reply to Burt Likko says:

            It’s fertile ground for a democrat to swoop in and make a strong argument that those folks should vote D.

            What is that argument?

            I submit, if the argument is “Learn To Code”, the message will fail to resonate.

            I imagine that Trump might come back with “See what I tried? I tried to do tariffs and the Fake News media and the elitists demanded that we ship your jobs overseas and give away the store on trade! I was on your side and I’m not the guy telling you that you need to change! *THEY* need to change!”Report

          • Chip Daniels in reply to Burt Likko says:

            It’s because no one, anywhere, has a good answer to the threat of automation and technology.Report

  4. Chip Daniels says:

    Mark me down in the “Anybody but Joe” camp.

    He’s not a wartime consigliere.Report

    • Stillwater in reply to Chip Daniels says:

      I think Joe’s escaped the reality bubble by listening to the people with a financial stake in his campaign. He’s the Dem version of Jeb. Joe!Report

      • Jaybird in reply to Stillwater says:

        I see Joe rebuilding The Blue Wall.

        How does he not?Report

        • Stillwater in reply to Jaybird says:

          I don’t think he gets the black vote people suspect he will. I don’t think he gets *any* of the young vote. I don’t even think he gets much of the Obama-holdover vote since Clinton pretty much poisoned that well.Report

        • Stillwater in reply to Jaybird says:

          Sherrod Brown and Amy K could rebuild the Blue Wall (as much as a candidate individually could anyway). Hick might, Inslee might. Biden not. (He’s part of the Regime which drove those folks to vote Trump in the first place.)Report

          • Stillwater in reply to Stillwater says:

            John Hickenlooper: I understand I’m not the first person in this race or the most well-known person in this race. But let me tell you: at 4 syllables and 12 letters, “Hickenlooper” is now the biggest name in the race.

            Good ole Hick, already working hard to heal a fractured party and bring us together as a country.Report

          • I’ll argue that Hick and Inslee have two big problems when they campaign in the Rust Belt states: they come from states where blacks aren’t the largest minority group, and where the urban problem is that the cities are doing too damned well.Report

      • Aaron David in reply to Stillwater says:

        00000h I like that. It goes good with Bad Touch Biden.

        Just Joken’ Joe!

        (we will work on it.)Report

  5. PD Shaw says:

    If drafted, I will not run; if nominated, I will not accept; if elected, I will nuke this country.Report

  6. J_A says:

    As somebody who had the opportunity to vote for Beto, I hope he runs. I think he brings a lot of things of the table in terms of electability, both in the primaries and in the general.

    Beto is a cis, white, straight man -thus, he doesn’t trigger *cough*slightly bigoted*cough* voters that would be reluctant to vote for a woman or a minority.

    At the same time, Beto, growing up as a minority white in a majority Hispanic environment, has fully -and honestly, which is important- embraced the multiethnic/diversity aspect of America. True , he’s embraced far more the Hispanic rather than the black aspects of it, but I think black voters will appreciate his honesty and won’t resent him for that.

    Beto is young. I’m frustrated that Democrats have difficulties finding young candidates. As much as I like both Biden and Warren, I don’t want anyone near 70 running for President.

    Beto is not from the Northeast, or California, or Chicago. He comes from a Red (purple) state, and will be much more competitive in the Western states. Relatedly, he’s from El Paso, a weird place that straddles the urban/rural divide, a mid-sized city surrounded by hundreds of miles or purely rural areas.

    I hope I get the chance to vote for him again (Do I sound like Obamagirl)?Report