Party Defections Continue in UK Parliment

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Andrew Donaldson

Born and raised in West Virginia, Andrew has since lived and traveled around the world several times over. Though frequently writing about politics out of a sense of duty and love of country, most of the time he would prefer discussions on history, culture, occasionally nerding on aviation, and his amateur foodie tendencies. He can usually be found misspelling/misusing words on Twitter @four4thefire.

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  1. Avatar Saul Degraw
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    As someone said on another blog, we are now at the remolding the linens on the Titanic stage of Brexit.

    Most likely is that something will be banged out at the absolute last minute this seems to be a huge part of human nature in all projects. It drives me nuts. Why do people insist on it? Life is too short to make everything a fire drill.Report

    • Avatar Murali in reply to Saul Degraw
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      I’m holding out hope that the lib-dems convince everyone else to cancel brexit and we can pretend as if the last three years never happened and no one is to ever mention it again or try to repeat it.Report

      • Avatar LeeEsq in reply to Murali
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        The Liberal Democrats aren’t going to convince anybody of anything and have no hope of achieving power. Plus, why would the other members of the European Union allow the UK to get away with this without some serious punishment like getting rid of the pound?Report

        • Avatar Michael Cain in reply to LeeEsq
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          The European High Court has already ruled that the UK may unilaterally rescind its Article 50 notice at any point before it takes effect. The other member states may be ticked off, but attempting to punish the UK would require them to find some way to do so within the treaties’ various protections afterwards. IIRC, the UK would have veto power over changes to the treaties that would allow the EU to overrule the pound’s exception.Report

        • Avatar North in reply to LeeEsq
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          Leaving the EU will horrifically hurt the UK but it will not be a picnick for the EU either. The Eu has, quite sensibly, decided to make cancelling Brexit as appealing as possible.

          That said, I agree that the anti-brexit forces are pretty screwed. The liberal party has been hijacked by Corbyn. I’d curse him but true responsibility lies with the center liberals in Labor and the Tory admins who careened to this point- partnering on Bush Minor’s idiotic adventures, buying into the austerity clowns snake oil in 2008-2009 etc.Report

    • Avatar Michael Cain in reply to Saul Degraw
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      The government could rescind its Article 50 notice. Parliament could adopt the deal. The EU side of things is set up so that pretty much nothing can be done quickly — eg, extending the Article 50 negotiating period beyond March 29 requires unanimous consent of the 27 other member states, which might require going through their legislatures. Changing the deal requires approval of the European Parliament, which might require scheduling an extraordinary session.Report

      • Avatar J_A in reply to Michael Cain
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        @michael-cain

        Your comment above is only partially correct. Parliament can only vote on a motion submitted by the Government. Thus, though I can bet Corbyn’s custom union proposal would command a healthy majority of the House, it can’t be brought up for a vote unless May agrees to do so.

        Parliament can only vote aye or nay on the deal that May finally presents, or submit amendments to it, in practice instructions for her to try again something different, again. Or vote nay on anything and crash out of the EU on March 29

        The UK can unilaterally revoke Article 50, but that will require May to ask Parliament to instruct her to revoke Article 50, since Parliament instructed her (at her request) to implement it. Parliament can’t, motu propio, pass such a Resolution.

        It’s true an extension of Article 50 requires the approval of all 27 countries, but the EU negotiators have repeatedly said they will positively considered it as long as there’s a defined plan about what this extra time will be used for. Therefore, they will likely happily approve it to renegotiate from scratch based on, for example, Corbyn’s recent custom union light proposal, if May where to adopt it.

        But they have also indicated they would likely reject an extension that is just kicking the can without any material changes in the current negotiating position of the UK, and that the current agreement is the only agreement possible that respects the UK’s Red Lines (and the EU’s too). Therefore, any changes to the Agreement will require a change in the UK’s position.Report

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