The Right To Choose: Obria Competing With Planned Parenthood May Be A Game Changer For Politics.

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  1. Avatar dragonfrog says:

    “A woman needs choice, but you can’t have a choice if the only clinic that a woman can go to is Planned, Parenthood,”

    What the heck is that supposed to mean? Women need not only the right to choose whether or not to have an abortion, but the right to choose whether to recurve healthcare from a provider that respects or does not respect their right to choose whether or not to have an abortion?

    If that’s not the most nonsensical thing I’m likely to read all day, i shall be very disappointed in whoever tops it.

    Does my right to choose whether or not to get a tooth extracted also require the existence of dental clinics that refuse to do extractions for any of their patients? By this logic, yes it does.Report

  2. Avatar Sam Wilkinson says:

    The abortion rate is almost surely dropping at least in part because of much better access to contraception, which allows women more opportunity to choose when they do and do not become pregnant. Obria denies contraception services – it offers non-hormonal contraception, but nothing else – which means that it is risking the demand for abortion services increasing. Which gets back to the original issue of Planned Parenthood being the facility that provides healthcare for women, and its “competitors” not only not doing that fully, but risking making worse the problem they’ve have publicly claimed to want to fix. The implication is that operations like Obria have something else going on.Report

    • Avatar Em Carpenter in reply to Sam Wilkinson says:

      That’s my biggest concern here with Obria. I did some reading, and they won’t even supply condoms. The only “birth control” they offer is counseling on “natural family planning.”
      While it is not quite “the rhythm method”, it isn’t much better.
      I actually used this method not for contraception but to conceive, and it is very involved and requires a lot of work and attention to detail. It entails things like (TMI WARNING) taking a vaginal temperature as soon as you awake in the morning, monitoring your cervical fluid for color and consistency, and painstakingly keeping track of this information for numerous cycles until you can figure out which days you are fertile-then abstaining on those days. It has a much higher success rate for conception than for preventing pregnancy.
      Rare is the 18-25 year old woman with the time, patience, maturity, and desire to put this kind of effort in.
      The result is more unintended pregnancy… which logically will lead to more…. say it with me!

      “Well then these young people should just not have sex! Obviously!” And that is totally realistic, right?

      I hope that Obria is honest and up front with patients and presents all options, even if they don’t offer them. It doesn’t sound to me like they do.Report

      • @em-carpenter “Well then these young people should just not have sex!” is always the fallback, unstated position of the anti-choice movement. Putting aside what it means not to be willing to say that out loud, there is also the issue of women who take birth controls for reasons beyond not wanting to get pregnant. The anti-choice movement repeatedly insists that these women do not exist – and claims in the linked piece that birth control is a carcinogen, which is a bold play given its popularity – and that, even if they do, their needs and concerns simply don’t matter. Which is bullshit, he writes, as both a husband and a father.

        As for Obria being up front and honest…I think we’ve seen what they think about that. This is the same old scam with a new name.Report

        • Avatar DavidTC in reply to Sam Wilkinson says:

          “Well then these young people should just not have sex!” is always the fallback, unstated position of the anti-choice movement. Putting aside what it means not to be willing to say that out loud, there is also the issue of women who take birth controls for reasons beyond not wanting to get pregnant.

          Remember, it’s only ‘young people’ who want to have sex that need contraceptives. They’re always unmarried, too. Heaven forbid actual married adult couples don’t want kids at that particular moment.

          In reality, 62% of women of reproductive-age women use contraceptives currently. Right this second…or I guess at least the next time they have sex.

          And once you start knocking out all the non-sexually-active and only-have-sex-with-women and currently-pregnant and actively-trying-for-children women, people who have no reason to use contraceptives, that statistic has to be above…I don’t know, 80%? I’m not sure, but the percentage of ‘women who might become pregnant but don’t want to’ who use contraceptives is…really really high. A vast majority.

          And basically _every_ woman who has had sex has used some form of contraceptive at some time. 99% of them. (And I suddenly find myself wondering if that last 1% has only ever had sex with women, or have some sort of biological issue that means they can’t get pregnant.)

          Contraceptive use is only this ‘thing only young unmarried people sinfully use’ to a very specific sort of men who make laws, who know basically nothing about biology, and never quite figured out their wives aren’t magically having less children than their great grandparents. (I was going to call them ‘older men’, but honestly they keep churning out new ones.)Report

  3. Avatar J_A says:

    I would be very happy to see something come out that says:

    “We do exactly everything Planned Parenthood does, except we don’t do abortions. We will even give you a referral for a safe abortion place if we feel one might be medically necessary. Otherwise you will have ALL the same services PP would provide. No ifs, ands or buts”

    If you start qualifying what kind of contraceptive services you provide, or what kind of non-medical messages you might share with me, I start seeing red flags.Report

    • Avatar Andrew Donaldson in reply to J_A says:

      I mostly agree with this opinion. If your issue is with abortion, that should be your focus. Once it goes afield of that it sounds like this clinic is using the Abortion issue as it’s opening to go into other areas they want to impress their way of thinking on, and lose me in their argument.Report

  4. Avatar Henry says:

    Since the current system is resulting in an ever increasing decline in abortions, I don’t understand why antiabortion people want to change it. What’s wrong with success?
    Also, why not do HIV testing? Diseases don’t disappear when you ignore them.Report

  5. Avatar Em Carpenter says:

    I don’t have a problem with clinics that are “Planned Parenthood minus the abortion” receiving federal money, generally. But I think care should be taken that we are funding clinics that actually provide meaningful comprehensive care, not just the veneer of that as a cover for anti-abortion work.

    Obria, at least, seems to offer more than the typical “crisis pregnancy center”, though I do have some reservations.Report

  6. Avatar bookdragon says:

    so no HIV testing and offers only “non-hormonal contraception”…

    You lost me right there as far as seeing Obria as in anyway a legitimate alternative to PP. I also expect that they don’t give referrals for amnio or genetic counseling, but given just the above I wouldn’t even go for a free ultrasound, since the agenda is so blatant I wouldn’t trust them to tell me if it showed anything indicating a problem with the baby’s health or a risk to mine.Report

  7. Avatar Chris says:

    “A woman needs choice, but you can’t have a choice if the only clinic that a woman can go to is Planned, Parenthood.”

    Is it possible to take a “pro-life” position without being dishonest? Empirically, the answer appears to be no.Report

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