Two Reviews Of “Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse”

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Sam Wilkinson

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  1. Avatar Oscar Gordon
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    Everything in this movie is represented by something that (AFAIK) existed first in the comics and was well received as part of the larger SpiderVerse. Whiners and ragers are most likely just butthurt because their favorite version was not the centerpiece or the most powerful.

    I loved that Miles looked up to both Pizza Gut Peter and Gwen as peers and mentors.Report

    • Avatar Sam Wilkinson in reply to Oscar Gordon
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      Doc Ock as Olivia Octavia was new, no?

      But yes, the characters themselves didn’t care. And the kids in the theater didn’t care. The only people who care are, frankly, insufferable losers who genuinely believe that art (that they care about) is set in concrete, never to be changed.Report

      • Avatar Oscar Gordon in reply to Sam Wilkinson
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        Yes, This version of Doc Ock is new (I had to look it up), but gender swapping heroes and villains is so common these days I just assumed she had some basis in the comics.

        I really liked that they made her Doc Ock, that took me completely by surprise and Kathryn Hahn does a great job giving her a voice.Report

        • Avatar Sam Wilkinson in reply to Oscar Gordon
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          @oscar-gordon Absolutely agree. One of the best things about it was that it toyed mightily with the usual “Bad Guy Has An Underling Doing His Bidding” storyline by making that underling one of the comic’s all-timers. She was a great addition.Report

        • Avatar North in reply to Oscar Gordon
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          She was fishing spectacular. Right up to the moment when she said “and I’m going to love watching.” I was completely taken in by the dizzy hippy scientist trope they hid her under. On top of that she was an absolutely amazing version of the villain.Report

  2. Avatar Mike Schilling
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    Not a superhero fan (to put it mildly), but I love the fact that Spidey’s theme music is still the song from the 60’s cartoon.Report

  3. Avatar Roland Dodds
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    I loved this movie, but more importantly, my daughters did. I have serious superhero movie fatigue, but diving so deep into the silly and fun aspects of Spider-Man, while also bringing in some of the newer versions of the character, was a real pleasure.Report

  4. Avatar bookdragon
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    I love this movie. My teens loved this movie. It was a great storyline and the characters, despite being superpowered, were so very *human*. I loved the scene with Morales and his dad way before the spider bite. It was short, but really connected you to them as people you could relate to. You can even sympathize with the villian, even feel a little sad for his loss when he loses (this btw is one of things my 14 yr old remarked on, and also one of the things he liked about Amazon’s new Jack Ryan).

    The new Doc Ock was a nice twist too, though her motivations were less clear.

    I just *finally* got around to seeing Aquaman and the contrast is striking. Yes, you get to like Arthur Curry and his dad (esp the scenes were Momoa plays to his natural persona), but the others aren’t nearly as well developed. And in a lot of places the CGI got either clunky or distracting, so as much as I very much enjoy watching Momoa with his shirt off, it might have been better as an animated movie. The places it fell most short by comparison though were in too much action, not enough character development.

    Also, while it was nice that Mera and Atlanta were fairly badass, the old storyline could have used a bit more gender bending. (My daughter was muttering ‘You’re royal too, Mera. Why can’t you challenge him?’)Report

    • Avatar Sam Wilkinson in reply to bookdragon
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      @bookdragon The father/son scenes were so, so, so well-done. I asked Roland above how he did. The middle one – with the door between them – was (to me anyway) the heaviest of them, and the most, “Oh my god, these are real characters that I care about very much!” moment.Report

      • Avatar Oscar Gordon in reply to Sam Wilkinson
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        Miles Dad, and Aunt May, were both essential supporting characters. I loved both of them, Dad for the struggles he was having trying to balance everything, and May for stepping up and being that person who providing much needed support.

        I would have loved a post credit scene of May having coffee with Miles Dad.Report

      • Avatar bookdragon in reply to Sam Wilkinson
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        I hit that point just with the drop off at school scene. I joking threatened my son (who is very much in the teen embarrassed by existence of parents phase) that I was going to get his dad (who does drop them off) a police loudspeaker lol.

        But the through the door scene did hit me as really moving. It was really well done, both in dialog and in the way the scene was drawn.Report

    • Avatar Oscar Gordon in reply to bookdragon
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      Doc Ock was all about the Mad Science. Kingpin was her means to funding a dimension breaking Super Collider.Report

      • Avatar bookdragon in reply to Oscar Gordon
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        Yes, but that made her the least human of the characters. Her motivation seemed to be just “I’m a Mad Scientist”Report

        • Avatar Sam Wilkinson in reply to bookdragon
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          @bookdragon Isn’t that part of the Doc Ock character though? Being so far gone into obsession and madness that humanity has been left behind?Report

          • Avatar bookdragon in reply to Sam Wilkinson
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            Later on, yes. The movie was already packed, so I can understand why she wasn’t given more motive (even what she hoped to prove/gain by breaking the multiverse). And I will say it was well played to have her look initially like a head scientist who might be unhappy and turn on Kingpin. It made the reveal as Doc Ock all the more dramatic.Report

        • Avatar Michael Cain in reply to bookdragon
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          That’s the Mad Engineer side of things, which hits surprisingly close to reality with regular engineers as well. Why did you build such a dangerous tool? Because I could! Why did you use/let someone use it? I had to know for sure that it worked! This is how the world ends…Report

  5. Avatar LeeEsq
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    The thing that I’m most happy about Into the Spider-Verse is that its the first time we get to see thirty-something Peter Parker, which was how I first encountered him. Never got used to teenage Peter Parker.Report

    • Avatar North in reply to LeeEsq
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      I was especially taken with how the movie both acknowledged that 30 something Peter was somewhat sad and pathetic while not even for a moment depowering him or removing his skills. He was still brilliant, still an extremely gifted spider man, just also a guy who’s personal life has fallen apart.Report

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