The People v Facebook

Will Truman

Will Truman is the Editor-in-Chief of Ordinary Times. He is also on Twitter.

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  1. Jaybird says:

    “Surely this will never see the light of day.”

    Was the plan to move on before this crap came to light and hope that names wouldn’t be attached when it did?Report

  2. Aaron David says:

    Facebook is the new cigarettes.Report

  3. j r says:

    Between this and the Amazon HQ2 story, the media really has a dysfunctional relationship with tech. It’s replacing/has replaced the media’s dysfunctional relationship with finance. I say dysfunctional because there really is no chill. Either we read stories in which tech companies and management are portrayed as visionaries and saviors or stories where they are portrayed as dangerous and manipulative.

    This is the same Sheryl Sandberg who was the poster child of corporate feminism just a couple of years ago. She was the same person then. The more the media tries to tell us who the good guys and the bad guys are, the more they miss the facts of the story. This won’t end well.

    On Facebook itself, I have to say that I don’t care. If a web site can destroy our democracy, then our democracy wasn’t going to survive in the first place.Report

    • Jaybird in reply to j r says:

      I don’t even know what the proper response is.

      Facebook was pushing, pardon the term, “fake news”.

      So *NOW* what?Report

      • j r in reply to Jaybird says:

        There is no proper response absent the facts.Report

        • Jaybird in reply to j r says:

          So let’s say that Facebook hired a Republican opposition-research firm *AND* persuaded a Jewish civil rights group to cast some criticism of the company as anti-Semitic.

          Like, let’s say that we can prove that to the satisfaction of a jury in the court of law.

          So, assuming those things are provable…

          Can we then call them “facts”?

          Let’s say that, okay, they’re now established facts.

          Then what?

          I suppose it’s a good opportunity to sell, sell, sell. Perhaps call for the board to remove whatshisnuts from the CEO position. But there’s nothing that can really be done.

          It’s not illegal. It’s just unethical as hell.Report

          • Marchmaine in reply to Jaybird says:

            I’m not sure the Board can remove Zuckerberg… last I checked, unlike most Tech Billionaires*, he still owns 51+% of the voting stock. From a corporate ownership perspective, Zuckerberg *is* facebook.

            Obviously its more complicated than a sole proprietorship in a small family business… but Zuck has never relinquished control.

            *Google also has dual shares where the founders jointly control a majority of voting stock, IIRC.Report

            • Jaybird in reply to Marchmaine says:

              After the “pivot to video” scandal about advertising rates and now this… if Zuck can’t be removed, he can’t be removed.

              I suppose it might be possible to pressure the board to resign… but that sounds silly and ineffectual just being typed.

              I’ll try to use it less. (Not that I use it a lot.)

              But it sounds like nothing can be done.Report

              • Marchmaine in reply to Jaybird says:

                You would have to argue(/threaten) that its in his best financial interest to take a step back… though at this point in time I expect he’s sufficiently diversified to not need the “extra” billions tied-up in facebook stock. He has proverbial FU billions elsewhere. So if he wants to fly Facebook into the sun, he can fly Facebook into the sun.

                Sometimes I wonder if Facebook is already dead, but it doesn’t know it yet. Sort of like Hemingway’s observation that he went broke slowly at first, then all at once. The only moat around the business is the network effect.Report

          • j r in reply to Jaybird says:

            Then what?

            What’s the actual question and to whom are you asking? The details matter.

            I’m an occasional user of FB. I used to be a several-times-daily user, but then I took it off my phone and now I check it a couple-few times a week. Will this make me abandon FB altogether? Probably not. I just don’t care enough. And that is my ultimate point, FB is as important as we allow it to be.Report

            • Jaybird in reply to j r says:

              To whom am I asking? Everybody, I guess. Nobody, I guess.

              This is just another thing that was bad and about which we can do nothing.

              I mean, even if Trump did something bad, we could, in theory, not vote for him. Perhaps even vote *AGAINST* him.

              What do we do about Facebook?

              I don’t think that there’s anything we could do. Even in theory.

              Maybe follow Zuck around and never let him eat in peace at a restaurant ever again. Go to his house and bang on his door and chant things. Antifa stuff.

              But apart from stuff that benefits from wearing a balaclava? There is nothing.Report

  4. Saul Degraw says:

    I want to highlight the chutzpah of the Soros smear while also using anti-Semitism as a smear.Report

  5. Jaybird says:

    Attention this is important.

    Kanye West just tweeted a picture of himself singing the Backstreet Boys’ “I Want It That Way” with Zuckerman.Report