Ordinary Sunday Brunch: Culture Quick Links

Andrew Donaldson

Born and raised in West Virginia, Andrew has since lived and traveled around the world several times over. Though frequently writing about politics out of a sense of duty and love of country, most of the time he would prefer discussions on history, culture, occasionally nerding on aviation, and his amateur foodie tendencies. He can usually be found misspelling/misusing words on Twitter @four4thefire and his writing website Yonder and Home.

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  1. LeeEsq says:

    F2: Americans who travel know that fast food and snack food tends to be a lot more adventurous outside the United States.Report

  2. Saul Degraw says:

    Ar1: Links to a story about an Umbrian jazz festival. Andrew pulled a Will.

    F2: What Lee said. They seem to be catering to local tastes. How are unique and creative ice cream flavors doing outside of major cities with substantial hipster-foodie-bougie combinations. Green Tea is old hat for places like SF, Portland, and NYC. Salt and Straw has a Matcha and Black Raspberry ice cream that I like a lot. But do the unique ice cream places exist outside of college towns and major cities?

    Pitchfork gives us their take on the top 200 albums of the 1980s:


    I always think these lists are interesting for what they say about the people who make them rather than what people listened to in the 1980s. In this case, I’m guessing the compiler are mainly hipster-indie types in their 20s and 30s. Maybe some get up their early 40s. I love New Order but my understanding is that they were not that big outside of the UK in 1980s except in certain college markets and/or the rare city with a Modern rock radio station like KROQ in LA or WLIR/WDRE on Long Island. They seem to be getting a lot of revisionism by the cool kids. There are the proto-indie rockers and hardcore acts which would be typical of the hipster set like the Pixies, Sonic Youth, the Smiths, Husker Du, Talking Heads, R.E.M., Galaxie 500 (never heard of them before but you could tell me that they were from Brooklyn crica 2010 and I would think it plausible), Big Black. 40-50 percent of the list appears to be hip-hop from the super famous (Salt n’ Peppa, De La Soul, N.W.A.) to a lot of really obscure stuff that I’ve never heard of before. There are the really big and obvious 80s stuff from Michael Jackson, Prince, Guns n’ Roses (Appetite for Destruction seems to be included because it is ur 80s hair metal band and the copy reads as such), Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston. There is even some World Music. No country though, not even Bonnie Raitt.Report

    • Saul Degraw in reply to Saul Degraw says:

      I might have skimmed too fast but I did not see any Suzanne Vega or Traci Chapman. This might be mistaking popular/iconic for best but I think of Tom’s Diner and Fast Car to be too of the ur songs of 80s folk rock and leading the way for Ani DiFranco, Dar Williams, etc. Then again I went to a college in the later 1990s and early aughts where it seemed mandatory for nearly every woman to listen to Ani DiFranco and Dar Williams. Dar Williams played my freshman year.Report

    • LeeEsq in reply to Saul Degraw says:

      This goes into Elijah Wald’s argument that most histories of popular music are really what the critics believe are important rather than what most people actually listened to. Elijah Wald takes the statement “a million Connie Frances fans can’t be wrong” seriously. Popular music writing should try to grapple with what the masses listened to.Report

    • LeeEsq in reply to Saul Degraw says:

      The list is definitely a critic’s list but with enough genuinely popular music on it to counter the argument it is a critic’s list.Report

    • Link fixed, thank you Saul. Report

  3. Oscar Gordon says:

    Fo3: Good. I appreciate the need for regulation in the name of food safety, but when the regulations basically become protections for restaurants and caterers, it stops being justifiable.Report