Is MGM Suing Vegas Shooting Victims? (Not Really…)


Em Carpenter

Em was one of those argumentative children who was sarcastically encouraged to become a lawyer, so she did. She is a proud life-long West Virginian, and, paradoxically, a liberal. In addition to writing about society, politics and culture, she enjoys cooking, podcasts, reading, and pretending to be a runner. She will correct your grammar. You can find her on Twitter.

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9 Responses

  1. Avatar Doctor Jay says:

    Sigh. The shooting itself was horrifying, and now the lawsuits are more like sordid and disgusting. I’m not sure what I think of the merits of the sort of lawsuit that this “Complaint for Declaratory Relief” is meant to foreclose.

    I’m not normally someone who gets mad about people engaging in lawsuits, though I stay away from that myself. I do wonder if anyone’s life is going to be enriched by this exercise, though.Report

    • Avatar Em Carpenter in reply to Doctor Jay says:

      It’s notable that 2,500 people have sued or notified MGM of their intent to sue. There reports were that there were around 500 injured and 60 killed. In my mind, that makes about 2,000 very questionable lawsuits.

      In general I think arguing security negligence is a tough hill to climb. There were hundreds of hotel room windows around that strip where the concert was. He could have been behind any one of them. How do you prevent that?
      The hotel security- well, that’s maybe a different issue.Report

    • Avatar Saul Degraw in reply to Doctor Jay says:

      @doctor-jay @em-carpenter

      I do plaintiff’s law. I think for a lot of my clients, it is about holding someone or some organization/company accountable for what could or should have been a preventable injury or death.

      I work with a lot of people who suffer industrial injuries and/or deaths. Yes we sue for money but for a lot of my clients it is also about keeping the powerful accountable. Often tort lawsuits for money damages are the only ways to do this in the United States.

      I admit to having a financial incentive here but I think the “engaging in lawsuits” criticism often just helps act as defense for the management and capital class.Report

      • Avatar Doctor Jay in reply to Saul Degraw says:

        @saul-degraw Which is why I describe myself as “not normally someone who gets mad at people engaging in lawsuits”. I don’t have a problem with what you do, in any general sense.

        So, if this is about accountability, my question is “accountability for what?”

        That isn’t rhetorical, if you can answer it, that would be good.Report

  2. Avatar Jaybird says:

    I said this last year. I’ll say it again.

    Okay, here’s something that *REALLY* bugs me about the Las Vegas shooting.

    Las Vegas has cameras freaking *EVERYWHERE*. That’s one of the things it does really, really well. Remember that football guy (Michael Bennett) who got tackled by the cops and he claimed it was racism and, like, less than a week later the cops were able to assemble a timeline of footage that went from right before the shots were fired to the altercation itself and they claimed that this footage gave enough context to exonerate them?

    They had tons of videos from tons of angles.

    This was, like, September. It wasn’t *THAT* long ago.

    And we still don’t know anything about the Mandalay Bay shooting? We haven’t seen footage of the hallways before or after or anything like that?

    What the hell?Report

    • Avatar Doctor Jay in reply to Jaybird says:

      I remember the Michael Bennet story, though I didn’t see the followup. I think you have a good point, even though hallways aren’t the same as the casino.

      However, I have a feeling that people bring guns into casinos quite a lot. I have heard a tale, through my martial arts connections (I find it credible), about dealing with guns in a casino elevator. And of course, the famed OJ Simpson gun deal was in a casino.

      Now I’m thinking that MGM would really rather not have to discuss this in open court.Report

    • Avatar Marchmaine in reply to Jaybird says:

      Yeah… I agree that its weird that the coverage in the immediate aftermath seemed short on the usual sorts of surveillance footage that usually emerges pretty quickly. But NYT seems to have released something about 4 months later (below).

      NYT with MGM footage

      Spoiler, its not very interesting… just a guy who brings a bunch of suitcases to his room on several different days. Scarily bathetic.Report

  3. Avatar Mike Siegel says:

    Thanks for clarifying this. I suspect the headlines were leaving a lot out. I get mad at media coverage of astronomy; I can’t imagine what it’s like looking at media coverage of law. 🙂Report

  4. Avatar Deborah Ann Marshall says:

    Has anyone of the victims or loved ones of victims decided to sue the family of the shooter? You don’t go after a business unless you can 100% prove they were the cause, the cause was that family members did not alert authorities of the potential of him doing harm. There are behaviors that should be looked at first, he did show certain behaviors and we need to pay more attention to them. When some has an arsenal of weapons and family knows about it you have an obligation to your fellow man to report such a problem especially if that person has strange behavior patterns most mass shooters do show signs of mental illness it is up to humans to report such things to avoid such things from happening. You can have all the security in the world at your business but it really is up to all of us to recognize the signs of mental illness and report it even if it means you have to have someone you care about have their secret life exposed. Pay attention to the persons whom you care about businesses can only protect people so far it is up to family members to notice signs of distress.Report