Morning Ed: Politics {2018.05.24.Th}

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Will Truman

Will Truman is the Editor-in-Chief of Ordinary Times. He is also on Twitter.

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  1. Avatar Murali
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    Po7: Did we expect anything different from the communist party?Report

    • Avatar Oscar Gordon in reply to Murali
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      Yeah, that devolved quickly into an “I’ll know it when I see it” justification.Report

    • Avatar Kolohe in reply to Murali
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      We don’t see CPUSA as ruling a single-party state; instead, we hope to be one of many parties and organizations working together to build socialism.

      This was kind of surprising though. Or is the current CPUSA decended from one of the pre-WW2 splits where collaboration was allowed?Report

    • Avatar LeeEsq in reply to Murali
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      No. The comments section was also unsurprising. Many ideologues have problems with democracy because it might mean that people with policies you hate could get elected at times. The more vehement Libertarians also look for ways to get rid of anybody that might argue for the least bit of government regulation or social services.Report

    • Avatar Mike Schilling in reply to Murali
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      What, are they fining communists who disrespect the red flag?Report

      • Avatar Murali in reply to Mike Schilling
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        I’m not saying that you don’t like free speech only if you’r e a communist. I’m saying that if you’re a communist you probably don’t like free speech. As it turns out, if you’re the NFL, you probably don’t like free speech either.Report

  2. Avatar LeeEsq
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    Po3: I found this article unconvincing for many reasons. It read more like why won’t you talk about these issues in the way I want them to be talked about. If all politics used to be local, the Internet and globalization are making all local politics international. His argument that when Americans talk about race, they really mean Whites and African-Americans is also unconvincing. There is a small element of truth but Hispanics and Muslims, who are yes a religious group but tend to be people of color, also get included. Asians and Jews are in the mix in a confused way.

    Po6 relates to Po3. Whether the resurgence of populism in Europe or America is going to be economic or not depends on your politics. Its most likely a complicated combination of both. What I found remarkable was that Po3 doesn’t exactly let the center-left parties in Europe off the hook for the resurgence of populism.Report

    • Avatar dragonfrog in reply to LeeEsq
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      Po3 – I’m with you there. The questions of slavery reparations and of aboriginal self governance add nuance, but do not fundamentally change the issues like
      – our children are bullied at school as “dirty (name of race)”
      – cops keep murdering our young men
      – employers won’t hire us because they think we’re lazy, and take our unemployment levels as evidence of our laziness
      – our communities don’t have safe drinking water, when much more minor water problems in white communities are treated as huge emergenciesReport

  3. Avatar Saul Degraw
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    Trump canceled the North Korean summit. Color me unsurprised.Report

  4. Avatar Saul Degraw
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    https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/05/the-lil-tay-saga-reaches-its-logical-conclusion/561116/

    Might be more society but this is an area where my liberalism sounds a lot like cultural conservatism. I don’t get the whole Instagram culture of flashing luxury goods and egging on jealous haters or whoever. And I am far from hating nice things. Part of me does blame declining standards of decency on what is happening to this girl.Report

    • Avatar LeeEsq in reply to Saul Degraw
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      Part of me is with you on the declining standards of decency but another part of me wonders if there were ever standards of decency. Human history is filled with people who will do anything for fame and fortune including some very young people. While lots of actresses hated the casting coach culture and wished they could get by an ordinary additions, others saw it as part of the system and were able to live with it fine. If that is what they needed to do to get ahead, so be it. The Internet is just a broadcast amplifier, allowing more people like this to do whatever to get fame and fortune.Report

  5. Avatar Christopher Carr
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    Po1 – It boggles the mind that people don’t readily conceive of regulatory capture. Of course industry welcomes regulation: they write the regulations themselves to hurt disruptive competitors. See, for instance, every industry. I feel the linked article would be better if it were: “Industry doesn’t always support regulation”.

    Po4 – I’m not sure there is a compelling moral argument to be made for going after suppliers of drugs or abortion services, but it is certainly an effect multiplier if one is seeking to eliminate the practice.

    Po5 – Ahhhhhh, economic planning. That works well. (See below.)

    Po7 – I have a socialist friend who is fond of telling me that Marx said that we all need to be socialists now so we can be anarchists in the future or some such. I think this story is a classic example of how that thinking is flawed to say the least. What we should do if we really want more equitable opportunities for the labor classes is start by eliminating some of the artificial protections for the managerial classes, such as risk-free incorporation, tax incentives, subsidies, licensing, privatization, bailouts, and state-sanctioned rent-seeking.Report

  6. Avatar Jaybird
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    People who enjoy Louis Farrakhan will enjoy this clip.

    Mr. Trump is destroying every enemy that was an enemy of our rise. Who is the enemy of our rise? Is it the Department of Justice where we get none? Is it Congress where you make a law that favors us and then you turn around and destroy it? https://t.co/iK8VMI667b pic.twitter.com/Byk0Px2Avo— MINISTER FARRAKHAN (@LouisFarrakhan) May 25, 2018

    If you don’t want to listen to it, a short summary is that Minister Farrakhan is acknowledging that Trump is the enemy of his enemies.

    I don’t think that the African-American vote is going to return to the high numbers seen during the Obama administration. I mean, assuming Farrakhan is a bellwether. Maybe he’s just a crank.Report

    • Avatar Chip Daniels in reply to Jaybird
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      I think Farrakhan is that King of The Negroes that white supremacists listen to, and nod to each other knowingly, believing that they are tuned into the Secret Black Consciousness.Report

      • Avatar Jaybird in reply to Chip Daniels
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        Let’s just hope that nobody else listens to him, then.

        Or the radio station in Chicago that was interviewing him.Report

      • Avatar Maribou in reply to Chip Daniels
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        @chip-daniels I understand what you’re going for, but you are not exactly well-positioned to use the phrase “King of The Negroes.”

        Any one of my non-white student workers (and for that matter most of the white ones) who heard you say that would have exactly one first impression of the old white guy saying it, whether they agreed with your assessment or not.

        And it wouldn’t be a good one.Report

        • Avatar Maribou in reply to Maribou
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          (Sorry for the weird way of phrasing that, btw. It came out that way because I specifically frequently have the experience of hearing about “Dumb things old white guys feel entitled to say,” because they have to listen to their professors, then they come straight to work, and I’m not a prof, so I’m a safe person to vent to… I hear a lot about such things.)Report

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