Bill Cosby Found Guilty

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Andrew Donaldson

Born and raised in West Virginia, Andrew has since lived and traveled around the world several times over. Though frequently writing about politics out of a sense of duty and love of country, most of the time he would prefer discussions on history, culture, occasionally nerding on aviation, and his amateur foodie tendencies. He can usually be found misspelling/misusing words on Twitter @four4thefire.

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  1. Avatar Maribou
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    I say, “good.”

    And tbh, I have no idea why they wouldn’t send him to minsec (plenty of old sick men get sent to jail every day who aren’t famous and rich so I guess I have SOME idea)…

    But my hope for such things is fairly focused on making sure people are warned against charismatic people who seem safe, seem trustworthy, and very much aren’t, so I don’t really care so much what the sentence ends up being.Report

    • Avatar Andrew Donaldson in reply to Maribou
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      As with a lot of these stories, the disturbing aspect is the “everyone knew for years” part that only seems to be know to everyone once the predatory is safely at arms link or no longer of use to certain people. Got a quick post up so didn’t include it, but Cosby’s behavior in court does not lead to contrition at all, rather the opposite; someone who still thinks they should get away with it all. I doubt this story is done.Report

      • Avatar Maribou in reply to Andrew Donaldson
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        @andrew-donaldson Yeah, I think Jaybird wrote a post a few months ago about “open secrets” – we’ve definitely discussed it here many times before in different contexts …

        I’ve never seen a show of contrition from a serial sexual abuser that I *truly* believed meant it would never happen again, so I would have assumed this isn’t over either way.

        But there are many many women who wouldn’t have known about him before this happened, who do now.

        To me, that is worthwhile, and I don’t care so much about the justice side of things (mostly because the justice system is fished enough, especially when it comes to rich/important people, that it’s hard to even know what to hope for there).Report

  2. Avatar Jaybird
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    It’s worth linking back to Kristen Devine’s essay about Bill Cosby from November of last year.

    Dennis Sanders wrote one back in 2015 that is also worth re-reading.Report

  3. Avatar Jaybird
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    Time for Weinstein.Report

    • Avatar gabriel conroy in reply to Jaybird
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      Provided he’s guilty. By that I mean, I’ve read a good’ish amount on the internet and heard a little on TV and everything so far seems to point to him being guilty of some pretty bad things.

      And yet, reading “a good’ish amount” and hearing “a little” isn’t much. Others (perhaps including you) have read and heard more and investigated more fully, and if they come to an informed conclusion that he’s guilty of a crime or tortious behavior, then yes, time for Weinstein.

      But I personally don’t know enough right now to say that definitively. Maybe I should. Or regardless of whether I should or not, I probably could. At the same time, however, there are so many people accused of so many bad things in this world, it’s hard to take the time to make an informed assessment of their guilt. And eventually, some people are going to be accused of things they aren’t guilty of.

      That probably sounds like I’m defending Weinstein. That’s not my intention. It also probably sounds like I’m placing myself above whatever it is that bothers me about your comment. I can’t honestly do that, as there are many, many instances where I assume guilt on another person’s part with much, much less evidence than I’ve already encountered for what Weinstein is alleged to have done.

      I also realize it’s easy for me to write this kind of comment when I haven’t really been victimized much, and certainly not in the way Weinstein, et al. is alleged to have done.

      ETA: This is a driveby comment, as I have to leave for work soon. However, I’ll make a point to read any responses later.

      ETA #2: The first “ETA” appeared in the middle of my comment. I’m editing now to add that I’ve changed the placement.Report

      • Avatar Maribou in reply to gabriel conroy
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        @gabriel-conroy If you don’t believe he is, you should probably read more, rather than object to the comments of those that have read lots. I mean, I don’t mind you objecting, it’s good for us to talk things over, but I know your level of self-questioning and it seems to me you would prefer, in this instance, to read more than to object, had you more information. There is, of course, a chance that Weinstein is not guilty, as there is for anyone (even those convicted of crimes; cf the many people rescued from death row over the years).

        In general, the rush to justice (which often leads to injustice) makes me uncomfortable, and it’s possible that’s what bothered you about Jaybird’s comment.

        But the sheer volume of plausible already-existing testimony against Weinstein both for what he’s alleged to have done and for why his victims are alleged to have not pressed charges before this (not just career ruin, but fear of physical retaliation due to watching him throw his weight around) is overwhelming. It’s not pleasant to read, but it’s very thoroughly documented by sources who (more often than not) put their own names on their stories.

        At this point, he has multiple charges pressed against him, and prosecutors in LA and NY have been taking months to decide whether to prosecute: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-lapd-nypd-weinstein-20180320-story.html. NYPD is pressuring the attorneys to do so, they’ve said they would have arrested him by now if he was in New York. I gotta say, I think prosecutorial caution has a lot to do with “can we win a case against this guy? if we lose will it do more harm than good?” and not with “is this really a valid case?” (I could take a more cynical view, particularly given the connections involved, that the attorneys themselves are afraid of retaliation, but I don’t. In this particular case. Right now at least.)

        At any rate, maybe read Jaybird’s comment more as “hurry up and get off the pot, prosecutors” and less as “now we need a mob.” (I realize you didn’t say that – but that’s what twinged me about his phrasing – which has more to do with my own projection and my efforts to combat that feeling in myself, than anything he said – I just knew he didn’t mean it that way.)Report

        • Avatar gabriel conroy in reply to Maribou
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          At any rate, maybe read Jaybird’s comment more as “hurry up and get off the pot, prosecutors” and less as “now we need a mob.”

          I admit I read the comment as potentially both, and my own comment was about the second, even though I didn’t come right out and say it.

          Thanks for your comment, and I certainly had better heed the admonition to read (or learn) more before I object.Report

    • Avatar Mike Schilling in reply to Jaybird
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      And Trump. At least a thorough investigation; prosecution is legally tricky.Report

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