The states people really want to move to — and those they don’t – The Washington Post


Will Truman

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  1. Avatar Saul Degraw

    Some thoughts and observations:

    1. The states that seem to gain populations have weather that can be described as perpetually moderate/mild to moderate and mild to hot. States known for having very cold winters do not seem appealing to many people. As far as I can tell, most people would like to live in an area that has perfect May-June weather for most of the year or at least rarely goes under 55 degrees.

    2. Where are people moving out of in the States and who are they? California might be losing population but San Francisco gained nearly 60,000 people from 2010 to 2015. I am sure the greater Bay Area gained even more people during the same time frame. NYC gained nearly 400,000 people from 2010 to 2015. Even Philadelphia gained a modest 30,000 people from 2010 to 2015. What this implies or shows is that economic recovery since the recession has largely been concentrated in big cities and/or certain industries like tech and finance. So the less educated and more rural areas of places like California and New York are suffering from a drain while their cities are thriving and booming. This sort of cuts against red-state culture memes about how regulation and liberal politics are destroying blue-state economies. If anything, we are going to see more big sorting. California and New York will become more majority-minority and well-educated. Texas and Florida might become whiter and more Republican. Though both states have substantial Hispanic populations that are not leaving.Report

    • Avatar Will Truman in reply to Saul Degraw

      Anyone who moves to the south for the climate is nuts. Or old.

      This includes only internal migration. So international immigration into California and Texas don’t really show up.

      As far as where people are moving from and to, there’s a slightly outdated map that might help. San Francisco appears to be gaining people from the interior and between SF and LA, as well as the northeast and midwest, and losing people to other western states and Texas.Report

      • Avatar Saul Degraw in reply to Will Truman


        My preferred weather would be 6-7 months of New England/Hudson Valley October, 1-2 months of early Northeast winter (roughly the weather you get from Thanksgiving to NYD) with the remainder being warm but not hot June weather.

        Most people seem to prefer warm to hot weather over cold weather with some exceptions. Even in ski and snowboard mad California, people like that you can generally go to the mountains and then go back to the beach.

        I know the maps are about internal migration but saying California lost people while Florida gained is not a complete picture in my mind. I want to know where people are moving from and where they are moving to in each state. Lots of people are moving to the Bay Area from abroad but there are also plenty of twenty-somethings moving after they finish college because they want to be in tech. Portland and Seattle also get a lot of people moving to those metro areas post-college probably.Report

      • Avatar Damon in reply to Will Truman

        “Anyone who moves to the south for the climate is nuts. Or old”

        Well, my folks did retire to the south, but the picked an area near a high tech with rising employment bases. Close to hospitals, airport, and the leisure life they wanted. They got it. Not much humidity either for being in the SE. Hell, I thought of looking for work there too. Lots of good lookin womenzReport

    • Avatar Will H. in reply to Saul Degraw

      1) Acclimation.

      2). Insufficient data to draw such a conclusion.
      The conclusion inappropriately substitutes “employment data” for “economies.”

      Really, I don’t think there is enough data there to make a valid generalization.
      It’s more a snapshot.Report

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