Republicans Picking Their Poison

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Will Truman

Will Truman is the Editor-in-Chief of Ordinary Times. He is also on Twitter.

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  1. Avatar Marchmaine says:

    I demand a recount! (Too soon?).Report

  2. Avatar Burt Likko says:

    Were I still a Republican, I’d have voted for Hillary Clinton.

    As it is, I’m planning on voting for Hillary Clinton.Report

  3. Avatar Damon says:

    None of your options are acceptable.Report

    • Avatar Guy says:

      A reasonable response this would be, but if you read the question, you will find that it is a matter of who is least bad, not who is acceptable.Report

      • Avatar Damon says:

        I did and that remains my answer and it remains my vote, for the poll, and for the real election. I can throw out a few more names too if you like….Report

        • Avatar Kim says:

          Are there any options on the Right that you find acceptable? If so, I’d like a list…Report

          • Avatar Damon says:

            None who have indicated interest/willingness to run. Nor most of the established “leadership”. None on the left either.Report

            • Avatar Kim says:

              So there might be someone, but they aren’t interested? Who do you have in mind?Report

              • Avatar Damon says:

                I don’t. The only folks I’m aware of are those who have expressed interest or ran. None are acceptable. There MIGHT be someone, but I really don’t pay attention to “potentials” in the party. I don’t pay much attention to either party.Report

  4. Avatar Saul Degraw says:

    The old-line about “Democrats fall in love. Republicans fall in line” seems to be true right now. Democrats are still duking it out and for the most part the “Bernie or Bust” crowd is still loud and strong and shows no sign of becoming reasonable anytime soon. This is freaking the HRC crowd out.

    I’ve largely been okay with Sanders and his supporters so far but this week has left me dismayed. Don’t they know how crazy and dangerous it is to let Donald Trump near the White House?Report

    • Avatar Stillwater says:

      Don’t they know how crazy and dangerous it is to let Donald Trump near the White House?

      My guess: less dangerous than Cruz or Rubio having the White House. In fact, I think a Trump presidecy would be a lot less damaging the “the US” than the Bush/Cheney WH ACTUALLY was.

      Personally, I’m not that worried on a policy front since there’s too many institutional checks in place and Trump doesn’t have the adminstrative acumen to pull off the types of travesties Cheney did. The Big Fear people seem to have is based more in signalling than anything else. Trump is sorta a white-trash politician, with lowclass views and vulgar language. People worry about how that reflects on them, as citizens. As a Nation. And so on.Report

      • Avatar LeeEsq says:

        There is one reason why Trump could still do plenty damage for a liberal-libertarian perspective, the judiciary. His picks will be extraordinarily conservative. Trump is most likely going to have a Republican congress and could pass a lot of bad legislation.Report

        • Avatar Stillwater says:

          My guess is that his SC noms will be less “conservative” than those picked by a Rubio or Cruz mandate. (You know, a mandate: what occurs when conservatives win an election…) He’s a total wild card, policy-wise, seems to me, without principle, direction, purpose or process. But because he’s also a blithering idiot in every domain other than self-promotion I don’t see him being successful playing outside the Establishment box.

          But that’s just me.

          I mean, I agree with you that Clinton nominees will be more liberal-palatable than Trump nominees. But that would be the case no matter who the GOP nominee was. {Sort of…}Report

          • Avatar Tod Kelly says:

            FWIW, my guess is that the #1 criteria Trump will use will be which judges’ history and rulings most suggest a willingness for the executive office to wield power without checks.Report

            • Avatar Stillwater says:

              The Unitary Executive!? I hear ya about that. It’s perfectly consistent with everything we know about the dude.

              Well, except that I’m not sure he’s capable of managing those types of subtle distinctions. Directly or indirectly.Report

            • Avatar Marchmaine says:

              Will Hilary? Not just to descend into BSDI, but seriously… if Executive Power and overreach are a concern, its a growing concern of the 21st century (or maybe just modern) presidency.

              Scouring the liberal press I couldn’t find anything that suggested Kagan and Sotomayor were selected to pull this back… in fact, Kagan was regarded rather suspiciously, and Sotomayor was seen as a stealth selection (on this point).

              I’m not a court watcher, so perhaps they’ve really shown their chops at forcing the President to reign in his interests in expanding his authority…but that’s not exactly the impression I’m getting.

              You might even argue that Clinton would be worse (or anyhow, just as bad)… if Bush pushed Executive Power on matters Foreign and National Security Related (which Obama hasn’t rescinded, and in many areas has expanded), and if Obabma has pushed Executive Power on matters Domestic esp. with regards Immigration, on what grounds are we thinking a Clinton Presidency is going to pull back on either front?

              So, on this point, its hard to put a point in either column, I’d say. On both sides of the political spectrum I’m hearing increasing volume in favor of Executive power to “fix” things… just different things to fix.Report

              • Avatar Jaybird says:

                I believe that the official defense, insofar as there is one, is that Hillary is awful on this issue but, hey, she’s awful within acceptable tolerances.

                While it’s too late to prevent the Gods of the Copybook Headings from coming back to explain things to us, we might be able to forestall them for just a little while longer by sticking to the Devil we know.Report

              • Avatar Marchmaine says:

                Well sure, we could all hope that President Clinton will use and expand her powers for totally awesome stuff we like.

                I’m still just addressing the narrow question of whether she will be better or worse for the *apparatus* of Executive Power. Will she leave behind an even more dangerous tool for an even more dangerous fool?Report

              • Avatar Jaybird says:

                That doesn’t matter. This election is the most important of our lifetimes. Focusing on whether 2020 or 2024 is really more important is giving aid and comfort to the opposition.Report

              • Avatar Marchmaine says:

                Hah. I forget, am I in the opposition or are you? Either way, I don’t think I’m doing it right… no one does what I want.Report

              • Avatar Jaybird says:

                I imagine that the outgroup looks monolithic to the ingroup.Report

      • Other than starting wars and causing a worldwide depression by defaulting on the debt, Trump is pretty harmless.Report

    • Avatar Vikram Bath says:

      Saul Degraw: The old-line about “Democrats fall in love. Republicans fall in line” seems to be true right now.

      This seems to be the opposite of true. And it’s been that way for about 15 years.Report

  5. My answer would be Obama, Gore, Kerry, and Hillary, in ascending order of unacceptableness. And I’m voting for Hillary too.Report

    • Avatar Marchmaine says:

      Mine would be (would have been, would have been about to be?):

      Gore (the Senator version)
      Obama (the Senator version, and possibly the Post President version *just a hunch*)
      HRC
      Kerry (if non-Catholic, would beat HRC, but as Catholic he’s unvotable)

      I won’t be voting for any of these people in any tense.Report

  6. Avatar Kazzy says:

    The phrasing confused me… Took me a minute to realize what it means to “win”.

    I’d be interested to see how people would have ranked them 1-4.Report