BLINDED TRIALS: Turn down the flame, Bernie supporters

Will Truman

Will Truman is the Editor-in-Chief of Ordinary Times. He is also on Twitter.

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  1. Damon says:

    If you can’t stand how the sausage is made, stay out of the kitchen. Democracy is at work here.Report

  2. notme says:

    Meh, they should let their flame burn brightly.Report

  3. Jaybird says:

    The wacky thing about the whole “conservative vs. progressive” thing is that it has nothing to do with any given position but with a qualitative relationship between two positions and also a mindset that might as well be phrased as “pragmatic vs. religious”.

    Today, Hillary is the conservative in the room.
    Bernie is the progressive.

    If you’re into watching fighting stances change (and who isn’t?), we’ll be able to watch Hillary shift her fighting stance when she is no longer the assumed conservative one.Report

    • Morat20 in reply to Jaybird says:

      Sanders supporters (especially the hard core that are still seeing the tea leaves of victory) seem to be big supporters on ‘purity’.

      They don’t like to see the sausage made, they don’t like the sausage at all, they want to burn the factory to the ground and get steaks please. And what’s standing between them and pure, 100%, USDA grade-A beef is apparently HRC. Who i guess owns the sausage factory? Or works there?

      I dunno. The metaphor got away from me a bit.Report

      • Kim in reply to Morat20 says:

        Hillary, sad to say, isn’t actually putting people in the sausage… yet.
        That comes after the election.Report

        • Morat20 in reply to Kim says:

          Yes, I know. She’s literally the worst person on the planet and possibly the Anti-christ AND also personally murders puppies.

          We get your dislike.Report

          • Damon in reply to Morat20 says:

            Don’t forget the kittens! She kills them too!Report

          • Kim in reply to Morat20 says:

            I haven’t heard of anyone who personally murders puppies.

            Making children into factories for the express purpose of producing various biochemicals — yes [and this is the edited version of that story. Listen to a few too many Private Investigator tales, and you learn to have a strong stomach].

            Murdering puppies? no.

            In other news, Hillary Clinton is not the worst person on the planet. But perhaps you should talk to the people who hired her?

            It will be most amusing to watch the left talk themselves into rhetorical pretzels about Hillary’s antics once she is “in charge”. (seriously, that was all I was saying! — well, that and there really are hotdogs you can buy that have human in them)Report

      • Marchmaine in reply to Morat20 says:

        The metaphor got away from me a bit.

        Needs more bacon.Report

      • j r in reply to Morat20 says:


        I think that is unfair to Sanders supporters in a way that unduly buys into the Clinton branding. Sanders and Clinton are campaigning on two fairly different sets of ideas. Hillary wants to make marginally progressive changes to the status quo and Bernie wants to move us significantly closer to an explicitly social democratic model.

        Hillary and her supporters want to pretend that she is just as progressive as Bernie, just more pragmatic in how to get there. That’s possible, but unlikely. It’s perfectly reasonable to be a center-left Democrat who wants to shore uo the safety net and regulatory regime and the like without making a drastic lurch to the left, but that’s not what Sanders and his supporters want.

        In other words, Sanders supporters don’t want more sausage. They want locally-sourced, free range kale patties of known provenance, raised in an atmosphere conducive to the fullest expression of the farm workers’ gender and ethnic justice struggles. And unicorns. If you want to make fun of them for wanting that stuff, I’m fully supportive. But it’s disingenuous to call then unreasonable for not wanting to settle for Hillary’s sausage.Report

        • Art Deco in reply to j r says:

          Sanders supporters are the fragment of the Democratic electorate not down with the criminal element in the Democratic Party.Report

        • Jesse Ewiak in reply to j r says:

          The thing is, I’m fine if they don’t want to settle because Hillary isn’t progressive enough for them.

          I’m not OK with them acting like the game is rigged when the rules for each state have been out there since the last Presidential election, at the very least (to my memory, no state has changed from a caucus to a primary or changed up their registration rules recently and if any did, they were probably all more favorable to getting more people to vote).

          Hillary & Bernie ran under the same rules and in pledged delegates, she is going to win. Simple as that.Report