Your bowls are numbered… (Open Thread)

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  1. Avatar aaron david
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    Boring game so far, Denver must be happy.Report

  2. Avatar Michael Cain
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    I’ll stand by my pre-game prediction: Denver needs 28 points to win.Report

  3. Avatar Saul Degraw
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    I went to see Hail Ceasar! Enjoyed it. The Superbowl makes SF empty and uncrowded.Report

  4. Avatar Kolohe
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    Ketchup on hotdogs snobs are the worst snobs.Report

    • Avatar Slade the Leveller in reply to Kolohe
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      Sorry, that’s just wrong. I couldn’t believe all those wiener dogs running toward a bottle of ketchup.Report

      • Avatar El Muneco in reply to Slade the Leveller
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        Yeah, that one had exactly zero unmixed messages.

        And I can understand that a certain amount of cocaine might cause someone to green-light the man/bear/pig Dew commercial – but that’s no excuse for letting it go ahead once you saw the dailies.

        Even worse than the muppet intestine, which was actually sorta cute.Report

        • Avatar Kolohe in reply to El Muneco
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          The super bowel mascot is also better than the toenail fungus fighter mascot, who looks infected hirself.Report

          • Avatar El Muneco in reply to Kolohe
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            Oh yeah, the bowel is a much better realization by the technical people than the idea itself deserved. Like I said, it was kinda cute and it had more personality than – to pull out a couple random examples – Anthony Hopkins or Liam Neeson.

            The toenail fungus was bad on all levels – a stupid idea, for a product that probably isn’t in the same league as e.g. Budweiser and Audi and shouldn’t be buying a SB slot in the first place, mixing celebrities who aren’t even actors but are phoning it in anyway with CGI that’s both badly designed and indifferently executed.

            Still not as bad as Dew’s attempt to create a gritty reboot of the Ally McBeal baby meme…Report

          • Avatar Jaybird in reply to Kolohe
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            The Bowel commercial was weird and then got weirder. When the Bowel was being wanded by the TSA, I found myself asking “WHAT IN THE HELL IS GOING ON?”

            The people with whom I watched the game were all wondering about the ads that dealt with the babies born 9 months after a Superbowl victory. I pointed out that the Pro-Lifers couldn’t buy ads anymore so they really had to get subtle. They all said “oooooooooooh” and smiled and nodded for the message being sent.Report

  5. Avatar Autolukos
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    Denver’s defense is so good.Report

  6. Avatar Kazzy
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    Pretty sure I predicted this perfectly.Report

  7. Avatar aaron david
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    Question for the fans, should they have pulled Newton at the half?Report

    • Avatar CK MacLeod in reply to aaron david
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      Not even remotely conceivable.Report

    • Avatar El Muneco in reply to aaron david
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      Denver is probably the only playoff team in either conference that wouldn’t have a severe dropoff in a QB change. Them and the Bengals (Houston doesn’t count, they’re only there to make up the numbers). Seattle, GB, KC, and Pittsburgh – along with Carolina – are built around the unique strengths of their guy, and would struggle even more than the difference in talent would suggest.

      So, no. Switching to the triple option, on the other hand, might have gotten them closer.Report

      • Avatar Burt Likko in reply to El Muneco
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        Well, yeah. Defense is what carries the team, and Osweiler is pretty durn good.Report

        • Avatar Michael Cain in reply to Burt Likko
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          Which probably dictates what Elway has to do with personnel next year. Peyton’s base salary for 2016 is $19M. Osweiler and Miller are free agents, as are some of the other linebackers, and the o-line needs work. So Peyton’s gone, most of that money goes to Osweiler and Miller, and we find out if Wade Phillips is really a genius, or if he just had an amazing talent pool this year. Is there a great o-line coach out there that they could hire?Report

  8. Avatar El Muneco
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    What has Bruno Mars done in his career to get in two Super Bowl halftime shows? I understand that he likely works cheap – but halftime acts are unpaid!

    In fairness, he probably understands the catch rule better than the officiating crew…Report

    • Avatar Kazzy in reply to El Muneco
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      Bruno Mars is palatable. It’s the NFL… Safe is key.

      More importantly… More Bey!!!Report

      • Avatar Kolohe in reply to Kazzy
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        Kazzy: Safe is key.

        ‘cept Bey debuted a song about systemic racism. Though, granted, nobody could understand the lyrics because of audio issues, so maybe that made it safe.Report

        • Avatar Kazzy in reply to Kolohe
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          I wasn’t paying enough attention to hear the audio. But I thought that was just me.

          It is also possible that the NFL didn’t know the specifics of the content. And if they did, they might not have had people in place who could make sense of it. I mean, this is Roger Goodel’s NFL we’re talking about here: ineptness is essential.Report

  9. Avatar Jaybird
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    Remember the Mayweather Pacquiao fight?

    That’s what this game totally reminded me of. It wasn’t that Manning was so very good, it’s that the Defense got in Newton’s head and stayed there.

    A game that was not fun to watch, particularly… but a defense that was amazingly well-managed.

    (I can’t believe that Kubiak was booed on the trophy stage! Booed!)Report

    • Avatar Jaybird in reply to Jaybird
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      I also have an observation on the halftime show:

      At the Superbowl party I went to, me and my bud were the youngest people there. When Coldplay came out, the other people we were watching with started yelling about how they’ve stopped making halftime shows for the adults in the audience and were making shows for these millennials.

      I attempted to point out that Coldplay was being unusually high-energy tonight and how they had migrated from “alternative” to “adult contemporary” but then Bruno Mars came out and everybody started yelling about who in the hell was this guy and then when Beyoncé came out they started yelling about women spreading their legs on camera.

      So it was weird to watch the halftime show from people who were hating it from the other side.Report

      • Avatar Kazzy in reply to Jaybird
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        And there I was watching it with people who were not inclined to like or see things this way and all we could think or say was, “Man, why is Coldplay ruining this show?” And we said that. A lot.

        More than anything, we were REALLY hoping Missy Elliot would reprise her role from last year.

        Which might say more about me and my peeps than the show itself. Meh…Report

      • Avatar Burt Likko in reply to Jaybird
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        From the twitter:

        It was cool that Beyoncé and Beuno Mars let their Uber driver on stage too.

        Who was that white guy that opened up for Beyoncé? I bet my dad would like him.Report

    • Avatar Kolohe in reply to Jaybird
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      Jaybird: (I can’t believe that Kubiak was booed on the trophy stage! Booed!)

      I thought they were saying “Kuuuuuuuuub!” (really)Report

    • Avatar Mo in reply to Jaybird
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      If by head you mean backfield and forced him to rely on Tedd Ginn and Philly Brown to make plays. The real issue is that Carolina’s offense wasn’t as good as advertised. Once Cam had to deal with pressure, he needed his receivers to make plays and the guys the Panthers have catching the ball, aside from Greg Olsen, aren’t up for the task.Report

      • Avatar El Muneco in reply to Mo
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        I think that Carolina’s offense was a particularly bad matchup.

        The offensive line is particularly weak at tackle, where the Broncos are historically strong – the middle of the line didn’t have a particularly bad game, and they ran the ball well enough before inexplicably giving up and going pass-wacky (Dallas with a healthy Romo, would have a better time, I think).

        And the Broncos have three matchup corners, so they can basically take away three of Carolina’s one recieving threats (Arizona, with about eight guys who run sub-4.4 would be a different story). And it forces Newton to make multiple reads in the time he doesn’t have in the pocket. Further, as noted shill Peter King mentions, Carolina likes to keep extra guys back to protect – but confidence in the secondary allowed Phillips to just blitz the guys covering them, negating any extra protection.

        Seattle, without a healthy Jimmy Graham, has all the same problems, to an even greater degree. It might have been closer with a couple of Wilson sandlot plays, but on the night I don’t think that any of the teams that could realistically have gotten out of the NFC could have scored more than 20 against that defense.Report

  10. Avatar Kazzy
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    I said this earlier:

    “I think people are underestimating the Broncos. Their defense was really, really, REALLY good. Like historically good. And while the Panthers are a legit team, I think there are points in the Broncos’ favor. The Panthers led the league in points, but that was somewhat inflated by defensive/special teams points and field position. So while their offense is good, I don’t think it is truly best-in-the-league good. Much of their prowess was built on a highly effective running game. I don’t know if Denver can stop it but they can focus on it. Carolina doesn’t have much in the way of WRs, meaning Denver can take the opposite approach they used against the Pats (wherein they HAD to rely on their front 3/4 to generate pressure because you have to pressure Brady but you can’t blitz Brady). They can commit their front 7 to containing the run and force the Panthers’ WR to make plays. And while field position, take aways, and special teams is somewhat skill based, I think the Broncos will seek to minimize this by leaning heavily on their run game and imploring Manning to be really smart with the ball (which he has been since his return).

    I think the Panthers are rightly favored, but 6 feels like too much. If I was in Vegas, I’d take the points. But it wouldn’t shock me to see the Broncos use a ball-control approach and creative defensive attacks to stymy the Panthers and turn the game into a slugfest. And while we tend not to think of Manning as the sort of QB to win slugfests, this Broncos team can win slugfests.

    This all breaks down if the Panthers can control the line of scrimmage and use enough creativity on offense to slow the Denver pass rush. If they do that, they’ll put the Broncos on their heals and force the offense to take chances. Their opportunistic defense will capitalize.”

    Then before the game, I told my friend 6 points was stupid and that the Panthers were right ot be the favorite but there were enough angles for the Broncos. Then I said I wish I could get Von Miller at 8-1 for MVP. Halfway through the third I learned Miller went off at 20-1. Now I’m mad.Report

  11. Avatar Jaybird
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    From the Twitter:

    The Broncos gained 194 yards. That's the fewest by any winning team in Super Bowl history, breaking the '00 Ravens mark by 50 yards.— Football Perspective (@fbgchase) February 8, 2016

    Report

    • Avatar Kazzy in reply to Jaybird
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      Remember when I talked about Denver’s defense being historically good?Report

      • Avatar Jaybird in reply to Kazzy
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        It makes for a historically ugly Superbowl.

        There were, like, a thousand things in that game for coaches to show their team as they say “See this? Yeah, don’t do this. This is a mistake.”Report

        • Avatar Kazzy in reply to Jaybird
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          The game was ugly but I still found it engaging. Von Miller’s strip sack aside, there weren’t a ton of plays that will go onto a highlight reel worth watching. That said, the game was competitive until it suddenly wasn’t. Neither offense was crisp, but both defense — Denver’s in particular — did some things really well even if they didn’t make for “Wow!” plays. Denver kept Carolina’s pocket dirty… Newton’s feet were cluttered… and this seemed strategic. Yes, they went after Cam, but they couldn’t pin their ears back and just tear off the ends the way they did with Brady because of the threat of the run. So they had to pursue him but in a much more controlled way. And they needed to collapse the pocket up front or at least maintain gap discipline. They did all of that.

          So while there will be plenty to look at and say, “THAT ISN’T HOW YOU WIN IN THE NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE!” there will also be plenty of tape that Wade Phillips can show and say, “This is how you coach the defensive line. Who wants to give me a third shot as a coach?” And no one should because coaching is much less about Xs and Os than it is about culture and personality. But no one seems to have told most owners that.Report

      • Avatar Jaybird in reply to Kazzy
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        (But, yes. Your prediction was spot on.)Report

  12. Avatar Mike Schilling
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    That may have been the least fun Super Bowl I’ve ever watched. The commercials weren’t remotely clever, Coldplay was Coldplay, and the game looked like it was two of the worst teams playing, not the two best.Report

    • Avatar greginak in reply to Mike Schilling
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      Hrmmm Coldplay…. the game or the band. Which you talking about?Report

    • Avatar Maribou in reply to Mike Schilling
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      That leap by Stewart in the first quarter to score the touchdown was pretty great though, huh? Thought we’d accidentally switched back to the Kitten Bowl for a second there…Report

    • Avatar Gabriel Conroy in reply to Mike Schilling
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      Mike,

      I’m a Denver fan, but I agree with your assessment of the teams. (Disclosure: I missed most of the 2d half because we switched to Downton Abbey.) It seems that the Broncos got very lucky, with all the turnovers they forced (or happened upon). It’s almost like they won in spite of their many fouls, including that face mask foul toward the beginning.Report

      • Avatar Mike Schilling in reply to Gabriel Conroy
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        that face mask foul

        That was horrible; Talib could literally have broken Brown’s neck, and now he’s saying it was done deliberately, knowing the penalty would only be a yard and a half.Report

        • Avatar Morat20 in reply to Mike Schilling
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          They really need the equivalent of a a red card system. Or at least a “two personal fouls and you’re out of the game” setup.

          And of course it was deliberate. And I have no doubt his coach praised him for it, because a 1.5 yards beats the heck out of a touchdown.Report

          • Avatar Mike Schilling in reply to Morat20
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            The NFL has the ability to punish him after the fact. We’ll see how dedicated they are to player safety.Report

            • Avatar Stillwater in reply to Mike Schilling
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              Talib’s intentional use of the face mask to literally hurl that receiver outa bounds was obvious in real time. He then admitted to doing it on purpose. I think he’ll get busted by the league for it. Right after the play I thought there was about a 50/50 that he’d get tossed right then. Interestingly, right after the play Talib took himself outa the game, and I think he did that to try to massage the situation in his favor. Maybe it worked, but I’m not sure the Broncos wouldna been better off at that point with him on the bench anyway.Report

            • Avatar Morat20 in reply to Mike Schilling
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              I’d prefer to let the refs on the field handle it, rather than hope there’s enough pressure to make the NFL eyeroll and do something.

              That face-masking should have led to ejection from the game, and even if they had an instant-replay review, it would have stood as egregious, dangerous, and exactly the sort of violation that refs should jump on with both feet. (Deliberate, and done with total contempt for the penalty. 1.5 yards, after all…)Report

          • Avatar Kolohe in reply to Morat20
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            Morat20: They really need the equivalent of a a red card system.

            Goodall recommended something like it last weekReport

            • Avatar Michael Cain in reply to Kolohe
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              I would guess that the owners won’t do it because of all the wrinkles they would have to put into the rule. If the purpose is player safety, two players standing facemask-to-facemask jawing at each other — Talib’s first personal foul — shouldn’t count towards ejection. The NCAA requires video replay to confirm their targeting ejections — the NFL owners would surely insist on the same thing, with the reviewers instructed to err on the side of keeping million-dollar players in the game. To make up an example, at some point the question comes up, “Was the helmet-to-helmet that got the $10M/yr linebacker ejected caused by the $500K/yr fourth-string receiver ducking at the last second?” And then you have situations like one that happened this year, where a blatant facemask on a run into the line didn’t get called.Report

            • Avatar El Muneco in reply to Kolohe
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              Maybe they could model it more directly after the yellow/red card system. Make certain personal fouls automatic warnings – unnecessary roughness, roughing the passer, facemask?, cut block?. Make certain others discretionary, so jawing at an official might draw one while jawing at an opponent won’t.

              Or they could make the punishment post-facto – a game suspension rather than an ejection.Report

          • Avatar Will Truman in reply to Morat20
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            College football will boot you for a game if you target.

            There is a lot of controversy as to what qualifies as targeting, though.Report

            • Avatar Michael Cain in reply to Will Truman
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              I’m waiting, with no expectation that it will happen, for the NCAA officials to start calling targeting on players on the offense. The rule doesn’t specify. But a running back can do exactly the same “duck head and hit a linebacker in the chest with the crown of the helmet” that would get the linebacker ejected with little fear that he will be flagged.Report

              • Avatar El Muneco in reply to Michael Cain
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                There are always going to be offense/defense imbalances as long as the PTB thinks that scoring puts butts in seats.

                OPI vs. DPI. The total lack of limits on what you can do with a stiff-arm if you’re the ballcarrier. …Report

  13. Avatar Glyph
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    What’s all this I hear about a big football contest?Report

  14. Avatar Mo
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    How did we get this far without a mention of Annabel Bowlen who had to read which team she was congratulating and treated the Lombardi trophy like it was dipped in an Ebola-Zika hybrid.Report

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