Linky Friday #149: Pirates, Poindexters, & Confederados


Will Truman

Will Truman is the Editor-in-Chief of Ordinary Times. He is also on Twitter.

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  1. Avatar Chris says:

    Cu4: Man, some of my best, and hardest, TV laughs were at MST3K. And often over something little, but brilliant and unexpected.

    For example, I remember a sequence in one episode involving radiation creating some sort of monster. Early in the movie, pre-monster, this exchange occurs:

    Narrator: …the most feared word in nuclear science…

    Tom (I think): Oops!

    Narrator: …radiation.

    I died.Report

  2. Avatar notme says:

    So now we outsource the safety of the US to the UN? I thought Dems were against govt outsourcing?

    • Avatar Gaelen says:

      Even a passing familiarity with how the refugee process works, or just a quick check of Wikipedia, would have told you that your comment totally misunderstands the situation. The initial screening of refugees is almost always done by the UN High Commissioner for Refugees. To come to the United States you need be referred for resettlement, usually by UNHCR (or another NGO authorized by the US gov), and then you are vetted for refugee status and resettlement by the US Refugee Admission Program.

      Edited to add that this process keeps the United States government from having to deal with the millions of people who would apply for refugee status and resettlement in the US, who are either not actually refugees, or are not qualified to resettle in the United States, or both.Report

  3. Avatar Vikram Bath says:

    H3: Check out the chart. There are some real surprises.

    1. Democrats want to cut assistance to the poor *more* than Republicans do.
    2. Democrats want to cut scientific research slightly more than Republicans do.
    3. Republicans want to spend more on space exploration than Democrats.
    4. Republicans want to increase spending on highways and bridges more than Democrats want to.
    5. Democrats want to decrease spending on the environment. And they want to decrease it even more than moderates want to!

    I’m suspecting that some of this is explained by compensatory effects. Republicans want to drastically cut health care spending, so they can afford to be less stingy when it comes to assistance to the poor. But still, who would guess that Democrats would be more willing to cut assistance to the poor than Republicans?Report

    • Avatar Chris says:

      The charshows changes between the 2004-2008 surveys and the 2010-2014 surveys, and the question isn’t “would you want to cut” or “how much would you want to cut,” but “Do you think too little money is spent on… ?” So we don’t really have any idea the relative amounts that the two groups would want to spend.Report

      • Avatar Kolohe says:

        And its changes in values whose baselines are different. The numbers are probably, ex-rectum, something like “in 2006, 85% of democrats and 35% of Republicans think the government spends too little on the poor. In 2012, it’s 78% of Democrats and 29% of Republicans”

        Plus, one of the frequent refrains from PPACA and single payer advocates is that the US *does* spend too much on health care, esp compared to the results. So there’s no contradiction, philosophically, to be in favor of reform & increased government involvement, and still be in favor of less spending.

        (now, whether or not you can, in fact, have more government involvement, better results, and less spending, all at the same time is a different, and unanswered question. But based on the similar dynamics in education, it doesn’t look good)Report

        • Avatar Glyph says:

          …I heard his ex nearly KILLED ‘im!Report

        • Avatar greginak says:

          Is there anybody who didn’t think we spend to much on health care and that the level of growth of costs wasn’t unsustainable? Yeah i know most conservatives sort of forgot about that once there were discussions about the ACA which might do something to correct the problem but still the issue was widely known.Report

          • Avatar Stillwater says:

            There’s that. One of the dynamics which drove the Limbaughization of our current politics is that Democrats were Tax-and-Spenders. Which, going back thru the post war years, where Democrats largely controlled Congress, is true. But the myth has outpaced reality since then, seems to me. Well, sorta, anyway. GOPers still adhere to the “cut taxes” mantra even while their policies explode the deficit and national debt. Cynically, there’s a twisted (incoherent) Norquistian logic to it: deficit-spend to break the system!, at which time the remnants can be easily drowned in a bathtub. (See, for example, the debt-curves under Reagan and GWB.)

            Kolohe is right to say that more gummint involvement AND less spending is certainly logically possible, so long as the implied conclusion is kept in mind: that the functional incompetence of our federal gummint constitutes a barrier to believing such an outcome is possible in practice.

            EG., as much as I’m drawn to national single payer from a solutions-based perspective, I have no illusions regarding the likelihood of our federal gummnt’s ability to administer such a program effectively or efficiently.

            (Personally, I’d like to see state-based single payer programs gain some traction.)Report

            • Avatar Will Truman says:

              I’d really like to see a state give it a go. Vermont was a bad candidate, and Montana wasnt much better, but we could learn a lot from Minnesota giving it a go. California would be ideal.Report

            • Avatar Kolohe says:

              “One of the dynamics which drove the Limbaughization of our current politics is that Democrats were Tax-and-Spenders.”

              That precedes Limbaugh by at least a decade; Reagan was all about that too. If anything, Limbaughization is the other thing we’re talking about, making a political divide over who has ‘New York Values’ and who doesn’t. (with the prerequisite irony of spending the first half of his national career in a Manhattan studio)Report

    • Avatar pillsy says:

      The healthcare cutting thing that makes for the article’s lede seems like a particularly weird interpretation of the data, and one which really ignores much of the substance of the policy rationale for Obamacare. While that probably isn’t going to have much impact on Republicans or Independents (on the reasonable grounds that they’re likely to find the policy rationale unconvincing), Democrats are likely to expect it, and a major driver of reform was concern that healthcare spending was too high. In addition to the big ticket items like exchanges and Medicaid expansion, there were a ton of measures designed at “bending the cost curve”.

      Democrats are also more likely to be sympathetic to adopting single-payer or NHS-style socialized medicine, and one of the most common arguments for those systems is that they’re cheaper than what we have in the US.Report

    • Avatar Alan Scott says:

      So other people have posted good replies about something something cost overruns etc. But it gets even simpler:

      The question asked was whether the government spends too little money on health care. Given that the ACA was passed and implemented, isn’t the simplest solution that people are satisfied with the new spending it included?

      Look, last year when I was unemployed and couldn’t pay my gas bill, I though I was spending too little on heating. This year, I have a new job, keep my house warm, and no longer think I’m spending too little on heating. That doesn’t mean I’m suddenly much more bearish on the furnace. If anything, the opposite.Report

  4. Avatar Richard Hershberger says:

    S3: I have been raising this issue repeatedly every time the subject of autonomous cars comes up. I have yet to see a response along the lines of “Thank you for raising that very good question. Here are the strategies researchers are using to solve this…” So now it turns out the strategy is to not sell autonomous cars in places where it snows. Brilliant! Here’s my prediction: Whenever this thing gets past the press-release stage into the expected-to-make-money stage, it will turn out to feature a full set of controls, and the car will be fully autonomous except when it isn’t.

    In related news, we had a potential client come in the other day. He had been rear-ended. This usually is our bread and butter, but in this instance his car had stopped suddenly. This makes the case more problematic, as the guy behind you can argue contributory negligence, which is a deal killer in this jurisdiction. But upon further conversation, it turned out that he hadn’t applied the brakes: the car’s collision avoidance system had. It is prone to misinterpreting stuff like steel plates on the road as obstacles to avoid colliding with, resulting in collisions. One can but admire the irony. In the meantime, there is a recall, and in this particular case the manufacturer is effectively accepting liability.Report

    • Avatar Oscar Gordon says:

      If I’m reading the article correctly, the issue is that the sensor suite has issue “seeing” through snow, which makes sense if radar is your primary set of “eyes”. They’ll need to use a range of sensors.Report

      • Avatar Richard Hershberger says:

        Perhaps it is just a question of what frequency to use, but with those sensor domes on top of the car the other issue is snow collecting on the sensor itself: a significant issue in heavy snow. Then there is the matter of salt spray, so a really good heating system would not itself be sufficient. You need some equivalent of a windshield wiper and fluid system. And redundancy: In a standard car, when the wiper leaves that annoy streak right at eye level, you can scrunch down and look under it.

        I’m not saying that these problems are unsolvable: just that there is a resounding silence on the topic from the publicists and enthusiasts.Report

        • Avatar Oscar Gordon says:

          I have a post in the queue for the 18th that takes a look at self driving cars, it might be worth holding off on in depth discussions until then.

          Re: keep in mind Google is primarily a software company. They are much more interested in, and have the experience with, software. Their hardware is very likely COTS or somewhat modified COTS and the best choice for what they are trying to do, which does not mean it’s the best choice for the final product.Report

          • Avatar Road Scholar says:

            I’m looking forward to that post and discussion, Oscar. I’ve long held, as I believe you do, that jumping directly to fully autonomous vehicles is an unrealistic fantasy. Rather, what we’ll see — and are seeing! — is the steady accretion of more and more sophisticated “driver assistance” features along various dimensions of the driving task.

            My current ride is dubbed a “Smart Truck” by virtue of incorporating Collision Mitigation, Lane Departure warning, and Adaptive Cruise. The first and third of those rely on a radar sensor embedded in the bumper and the Lane Departure system utilizes a video camera looking out the window. When they work they work reasonably well, but both sensors are buggy as hell and frequently confused. It’s all very much at the first-generation, early-adopter stage. I’ve heard from drivers that have had to have their trucks towed because the collision system was convinced you were running into something and wouldn’t release the brakes. Less seriously, but still a PITA, my system will occasionally complain that the front radar sensor is blocked (by what? Generally nothing discernable) and disables adaptive cruise. Which wouldn’t be so bad except that’s the ONLY cruise mode available and it’s set up to allow an extra 2 mph in cruise vs using the pedal.Report

            • Avatar Oscar Gordon says:


              We are thinking along the same lines. It’s a big post (but then, I rarely write little ones) and it takes a high level view, rather than diving into the weeds, but I think it’ll be helpful.Report

          • Avatar Oscar Gordon says:


            Sensor nodes don’t need wiper systems, they just need this:

            If Google hasn’t applied this to their sensor pod, it’s further evidence that the sensor/hardware part of the problem is not what they are focused on.Report

            • Avatar Richard Hershberger says:

              Does that stuff work on salt spray? I honestly don’t know. If it does, why isn’t it applied to standard windshields? For that matter, why isn’t it, even apart from salt?Report

              • Avatar Oscar Gordon says:

                It’s superhydrophobic, so it’ll repel any liquid with a surface tension near or above water (pure alcohol might have a low enough viscosity as to not bead up as much as water, for instance), so salt spray should roll off just like rain.

                As for windshields:

                9. Can NeverWet be applied to glass?

                Yes, but the glass will no longer be transparent. NeverWet dries to a Flat Frosted Clear color, therefore, it should never be applied to windshields or automobile windows. NeverWet will work on any glass that you want to have superhydrophobic properties, but don’t need to see through.

                Rain-X does something similar, and can be bought as a wiper fluid.Report

      • Avatar Kazzy says:

        Wouldn’t censors require re-lining every street in America?Report

        • Avatar Kolohe says:

          only if the lines haven’t already obscured the dirty words.Report

        • Avatar Oscar Gordon says:


          Was that a serious question, or were you just trying to see if you launch Pun Wars: Road Rally Edition?Report

          • Avatar Kazzy says:


            Ha! Well, it was a serious question with the right “sensor” in there. D’oh!

            So, to clarify, if the sensors aren’t just visual, aren’t just “reading” the line but are picking up sensors in the road, don’t we then have to go around and put sensors in every damn road?Report

            • Avatar Oscar Gordon says:

              I actually address that very question in my post for the 18th, so can you wait until Monday?Report

              • Avatar Kazzy says:


                Will you also talk about how they navigate things like parking lots/structures. I park on the 4th floor of a tight garage and used to park in a basement garage that required at least one three point turn.Report

              • Avatar Chris says:

                I dunno about parking structures, as I don’t spend much time in them so I’m not sure whether they do, but I’ve seen the Google driverless cars navigate extremely crowded parking lots really well.

                I’ll add that Google encourages you to flag them down and ask questions, so if I remember, I’ll flag one down and ask about parking garages.Report

              • Avatar Oscar Gordon says:

                I don’t, but at slow speeds, tight navigation should not be an issue. Your car will know, much better than you, exactly how much room it needs to park and maneuver at any given speed. So while I don’t expect them to be doing any drifting into a parking spot, they should be able to navigate tight spaces.Report

              • Avatar Glyph says:

                I would assume that some of the technologies that are now mostly only in luxury cars will also trickle down to every car, like 4-wheel steering – add those in and like you say, at slow speeds a computer should be able to do tight maneuvers with more precision than almost any human.Report

              • Avatar Oscar Gordon says:


                And 4 wheel steering is a lot easier to do if your car is all electric.Report

    • Avatar Troublesome Frog says:

      I don’t understand why self-driving cars that don’t work well in the snow is such a show stopper. A very large chunk of the US population lives in places where snow basically never falls, much less accumulates. We probably don’t sell a lot of convertibles or motorcycles in places that are constantly freezing cold or rainy, but they’re still viable products.Report

  5. Avatar Michael Cain says:

    S3: Isn’t snow what the commentariate here brings up every time self-driving cars are the topic?

    (Sorry, Richard beat me to it.)Report

  6. Avatar Richard Hershberger says:

    H2: the linked article is more of an outline for the second part of a good article, so it doesn’t really give much information. Why New Mexico courts would have jurisdiction in something like this is not obvious to me. It would have been nice to be given some hint. Even better would be a comparison of medical malpractice law in the two states. Instead all we get is a bunch of doctors bitching. The problem is that doctors seem oddly prone to urban legends about med-mal law. Either that or they are lying. It isn’t always clear. But when you read some doctor talking about how he orders a bunch of tests that he knows are unnecessary because he needs to cover his ass, he either has never sat down with an actual lawyer and discussed the topic, or he actually is getting paid for those tests: qui bono, dude. In any case, doctors are as a class completely unreliable sources for information about med-mal law.Report

  7. Avatar notme says:

    Obama halts new coal leases on public land. Nope, no war on coal here. What can you do with public land anymore?

  8. Avatar Glyph says:

    L2 is broken.

    Also, no, I DON’T remember that.Report

  9. Avatar Richard Hershberger says:

    Cu1: I am interested to see how this plays out. The Anglicans, like many denominations, evangelized heavily in Africa a century or so back. The result often is that Africans now constitute the majority within many denominations. How this plays out depends on the ecclesiastical structure. The Methodists, for example, are unusual in not really being organized along national lines. Its General Conference is a worldwide body. Most Protestant churches, however, are organized as national bodies independent from one another. There often is a worldwide body, but it is for conversation and coordination of international charities, and doesn’t have the power to tell anybody what they can and cannot do.

    The result is that the United Methodist Church officially is down on The Gay because this is what the General Conference says, but it is trivially easy to find a UMC congregation in the United States that is cheerfully willing to overlook niceties of official policy. Churches like the Episcopal Church (USA) and the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America are OK with The Gay, both de facto and de jure. In both cases anyone unwilling to live with this has gone elsewhere.

    There is a Lutheran world body, the Lutheran World Federation. The Lutherans did comparatively poorly in the ‘Convert Africans’ sweepstakes, so the LWF is dominated by Europeans and Americans. The largest constituent church is the Church of Sweden (though this is because the church in Germany is organized on regional lines). The upshot is that the LWF is OK with The Gay, and if the Evangelical Lutheran Church in Tanzania doesn’t like, they have nonetheless come to terms with sitting in the same room with people who disagree with them.

    The Anglicans were wildly successful in the ‘Convert Africans” sweepstakes. They had an unfair advantage, what with having an Empire over which the sun never set. So the Africans now dominate. The Church of England itself is unofficially OK with The Gay (or, as my mother put is, they invented it) but they feel an obligation to be discreet about this. The Americans don’t care, or at least don’t care enough to act differently. Hence the three year suspension.

    What will be interesting is if in three years, the Episcopalians are let back in and everybody pretends that the issue has been resolved, or the Anglicans rinse and repeat. It isn’t in the cards for the Episcopalians to recant, so it may be that they will end up taking their tea in a different room from everyone else.Report

    • Avatar Kolohe says:

      Haven’t there also been a few Episcopal congregations a few yeas ago that broke with US Church because of LGBT issues*, (i.e. the dissenting congregation were against what would be considered equal rights in secular language), and tried to re-brand as Anglican, and some others re-joining The Roman Catholics?

      (I’m also thinking that the Roman Catholics may have won the Christian convert Africans sweepstakes, just in terms of raw numbers. Of course, the Roman Catholic governance structure is completely undemocratic – though that also doesn’t mean it’s immune to politics)

      *edit – I think, reading the links, some of it was also about the role of women in the church.Report

      • Avatar Richard Hershberger says:

        This discussion requires both history and vocabulary first, for which I apologize in advance:

        The Ur-church of the Anglican communion is, of course, the Church of England. You know the story: Henry VIII, Anne Boleyn, and all that. As the English went out colonizing, clergymen went along, both to serve the English colonists and to convert the natives. This, in the course of time, resulted in various national churches descended from the CofE. “Anglican” came to be the generic name for the tradition. In due time an international body was formed, known as the Anglican Communion.

        This process occurred earlier and more haphazardly in the US. The CofE never set up American dioceses during the colonial period, so the various parishes were cut off after the Revolution. They arranged some semi-bootleg consecrations and organized, taking the name “Episcopal,” which simply means they have bishops. In the course of time the they joined the Anglican Communion.

        There is a long history of schisms from the Episcopal Church. Episcopalians profess a horror of schism, so there is a mandatory ritual of the small number splintering off denouncing the vastly larger church as being the true schismatics. Traditionally this occurred over big stuff like revising the Book of Common Prayer. The recent round is most visibly about The Gay, but really about Episcopal Genitalia.

        It is counter-intuitive, given that the Episcopalians have been ordaining women since the 1970s, that this would only arise now, but there is good reason based on Anglican ecclesiology. They, along with the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches, claim what used to be called Apostolic Succession but now seem to go by Historic Episcopacy. This is the notion that Jesus appointed the disciples, who in turn appointed successors, with an unbroken chain reaching to the present day bishops. The key is that only true bishops can create new bishops or priests.

        Under this theory, a false priest is only a limited danger. Episcopal parishes have wide latitude to choose their own priests, so a parish that considers a female priest to be an impossibility need simply not hire one. Female bishops are another matter. If a female bishop is a false bishop, it follows that any priest she ordained is no priest at all, even if possessing the proper genitalia. So a parish considering hiring a priest would have to investigate who ordained him, and who consecrated that bishop. following the chain backwards as far as necessary: sort of like doing a real estate title search.

        Putting this together, the reason for the recent schism has far more to do with Bishop Katherine Jefferts Schori than it does with Bishop Eugene Robinson. This tends to get confused in the popular press, because people understand The Gay issue, while the Episcopal Genitalia requires explanation. Most people that were unwilling to tolerate things split off, with the help of a new round of semi-bootleg consecrations, this time with the help of some African bishops.

        The word “Anglican” naturally offers itself to anyone splitting off from the Episcopal Church. Nowadays it is, in the US context, almost (but not quite always) a code word ensuring people that there will be no lady priests, and if any of the male priests are gay this will be decently closeted.

        The Catholics did make a bid to pick these people up, but it has seen very limited success. That link you gave is an exception. There also is a faction known as “Anglo Catholic” (aka the “Oxford Movement”) but this is something else. They generally don’t have anything to do with the current schism. (Hint: Their liturgical theater is absolutely fabulous. Search them out, if you enjoy that sort of thing. You won’t see it done better anywhere. These are not, however, people who want to subject themselves to any potential anti-gay witch hunt.)Report

        • Avatar Will Truman says:

          This is a really good rundown. The only thing I would add is that “Anglican” isn’t exactly code anymore. In the US, it’s the designation of the ACNA, which is the organization of the churches that formally split from the ECUSA.Report

          • Avatar Richard Hershberger says:

            It is still sometimes used that way. There is a parish in New Jersey, St. Bartholemew’s in Cherry Hill, that is a member of the Episcopal Church, but has a sign out on the highway proclaiming it to be “Christ-Centered Bible-Based Anglican.” I take this as being an assurance that there will be no priestly lady bits found there, even though they haven’t made the leap to Nigeria. (Only a cynic would suspect that the real property explains this reticence.)Report

    • Avatar bookdragon says:

      I suspect that just like with the issue of women in the priesthood, the Anglican Communion will steer around to ignoring American dissent and then most 1st world churches will start joining it.

      Ejecting the ECUSA is a non-starter. We provide too big a chunk of the finances for the worldwide AC. I was surprised they went this far, since the risk of having us ‘take our ball and go home’ is something they can’t afford. I suppose they figure there are still enough congregations in the US who still oppose ‘The Gay’, as you put it.Report

    • Avatar Pinky says:

      It doesn’t sound like the Episcopal Church has been suspended from the Anglican Communion, just disallowed to speak for it.Report

  10. Avatar Saul Degraw says:

    Cu3: I wonder where books by Jewish authors come in on the white or not debate. Are you supposed to hate Michael Chabon and Philip Roth because they are of European? Or are they cool because they write about the Jewish experience? How about gay, Jewish, of European origin Tony Kushner?

    I think one of the big perplexing issues in social justice is how to treat Jews. On the one hand there are only 14 million Jews in the world and what not.* On the other hand, many Jewish-Americans are of European origin and high on the socio-economic scale. Abnormally high considering their numbers.

    *This number always surprises people. People always think there are many more Jews in my experienceReport

    • Avatar LeeEsq says:

      The modern Social Justice movement basically seems to consider Jews or at least Jewish-Americans privileged white people with privilege for all intents and purposes but also potentially a good source of auxiliary staff for the cause or funding. Scott Alexander of Slate Star Codex noted that a lot of the “Nice Guy” mocking imagery in Social Justice mirrors some rather classical anti-Semitic imagery. The exception is when they are going against White Jew haters like Neo-Nazis or are trying to present Evangelical Christians as false allies of the Jews than Jews become a non-privileged minority. Basically, Jews are white privileged people unless it is convenient for Jews not to be so in a given moment in social justice.Report

      • Avatar Kazzy says:

        Why is it so hard to say that certain folks possess privilege in certain dynamics and oppression in others?

        Is a white woman privilege or oppressed? The answer is yes. Or it depends. Privilege isn’t a binary.Report

        • Avatar LeeEsq says:

          Privilege might not be binary in theory but a lot of Social Justice activists seem to treat it as binary in actual practice.Report

          • Avatar Kazzy says:

            A fair point. There is definitely an is/ought issue.

            And I was sloppy with my language. I think “privilege” is best discussed as a noun rather than an adjective. People can have or be denied privilege; they are not inherently privileged or not.Report

        • Avatar Chip Daniels says:

          This is important. When we liberals use the word privilege it is a form of dogwhistle where it references things that we understand but are invisible to conservatives.
          The white working class Trump voters see themselves as scrappy bootstrappers and proudly go on about how self made they are.

          Being told by educated people how privileged they are sends them into a confused rage.Report

        • Avatar Pinky says:

          Why is it so hard to believe that there can be value in a writer’s work, no matter which subjective category we put him into?Report

          • Avatar Kazzy says:

            I didn’t argue as much.Report

            • Avatar Pinky says:

              Understood. My point is that, by getting sucked into the debate about which authors are too privileged for their works to be worth reading, we’ve gotten sidetracked from a more fundamental question. (Actually a few more fundamental questions.)Report

              • Avatar Kazzy says:

                Oh, I agree. I wasn’t trying to say who should or should not be included but was responding to the broader question about how we define “privilege”.

                I’m curious, @pinky , what are some of those questions you have in mind?Report

          • Avatar veronica d says:

            The problem is, you don’t know the value of a work until after you read it, and you’ll never read even a small fraction of everything, so each thing you read implies thousands (or more) that you did not read in its place. Furthermore, the value a work has to you will vary depending on who you are, so just because a bunch of middle-aged white guys get brain boners over Phillip Roth, this does not mean I’ll find the same value there. I might. I might not. To find out I have to read.

            Or not read, cuz maybe I can kind of predict what Roth will bring to me, based on all the other “mid-century misogynists” I have read (or read about, as the case may be).

            So we all search through an opaque space, with imperfect clues. For many of us (me!), the term “straight white dude” implies a certain middling viewpoint that we’ve seen before. And indeed, enough with the endless parade of dudely authors who thinks they’re edgy, but for whom I just see sexual inadequacy and preoccupation. Blah. The point is, reading books by different sorts of people can be an excellent search strategy.

            It’s not like I don’t read plenty of stuff by str8 white dudes.Report

    • Avatar Troublesome Frog says:

      Are you supposed to hate Michael Chabon and Philip Roth because they are of European?

      You’re not supposed to hate them. You’re just supposed to strongly imply that their ideas should be devalued a little bit.


  11. Avatar Saul Degraw says:

    Ted Cruz attacked Trumpykins for having “New York Values”. Adam Gopnik debates whether this is code for Jewish or not:

    • Avatar Will Truman says:

      I don’t think it’s any more code than lefties deciding bankers.Report

    • Avatar Kolohe says:

      The subtext of “New York Values” is an attack on educated people that are not ‘manly’ enough, non-white people, and gay people, in that order. (put gay people in the front of the order for ‘San Francisco Values’). There hasn’t be any anti-Semitic subtext in the ‘real america’ vs ‘not real america’ for almost a generation now. (except, if one does go into the alt-right swamps).Report

    • Avatar notme says:

      Don’t you know that everything a republican says is code for some slight against minorities or jews, if you analyze things hard enough?Report

      • Avatar Chip Daniels says:

        Well ok, what does New York Values mean?
        Are conservatives supposed to be fer it or agin it?Report

        • Avatar Morat20 says:

          Effete coastal liberal elite. Ergo, “not a real American”.

          Real Americans are from Ohio, or Iowa, or one of those other “red” states. Currently Texans, but when Texas finally flips blue Texas won’t be “real Americans” anymore.

          I mean I don’t get the logic — half of America lives within one or two hundred miles of the ocean, but apparently that’s the fake half of America and probably shouldn’t be allowed decisions. Because, I dunno, they keep voting Democrat?Report

        • Avatar Pinky says:

          “And listen, there are many, many wonderful, wonderful working men and women in the state of New York. But everyone understands that the values in New York City are socially liberal or pro-abortion or pro- gay-marriage, focus around money and the media.

          “And — and I would note indeed, the reason I said that is I was asked — my friend Donald has taken to it as (ph) advance playing Bruce Springsteen’s “Born in the USA”, and I was asked what I thought of that.

          “And I said, “well, if he wanted to play a song, maybe he could play, ‘New York, New York’?” And — and — you know, the concept of New York values is not that complicated to figure out.

          Not too many years ago, Donald did a long interview with Tim Russert. And in that interview, he explained his views on a whole host of issues that were very, very different from the views he’s describing now.

          “And his explanation — he said, “look, I’m from New York, that’s what we believe in New York. Those aren’t Iowa values, but this is what we believe in New York.” And so that was his explanation.”Report

        • Avatar notme says:

          Cruz defended his comments at the debate saying that the American people understood what he meant.

          “I think most people know exactly what New York values are: socially liberal, pro-gay marriage, pro-abortion, focused on money and the media,” he said.Report

  12. Avatar Saul Degraw says:

    Meanwhile Cruz got a loan for his Senate campaign from New York and Jewish, Goldman Sachs.Report

  13. Avatar Chip Daniels says:

    Even a passing familiarity with how the refugee process works, or just a quick check of Wikipedia, would have told you that your comment totally misunderstands the situation.

    Are you new here?Report

  14. Avatar LeeEsq says:

    S6: Poe’s Law is what it is but will satire really be as funny if it has to be labelled as such.

    Co1/Co4/Co5/Co6 are related. There is a lot of content out there that people want to see but can’t because the content providers probably came to the right conclusion that they couldn’t make that much money off streaming. A lot of production companies also seem to want to make sure that the home audience as better access than foreign audience. I’m a big fan of the Murdoch Mysteries, a Canadian detective show set in the late 19th and early 20th century. It is on Season 9 in Canada but you can only stream Seasons 1-7 in the United States on Netflix. Likewise, the BBC baking show the Great British Bake Off, has been a surprise hit outside of the United Kingdom and in it but you only have two seasons, and not even the first ones, available in the United States legally via streaming. The BBC seems to allow some pirating on YouTube of their documentaries but will delight specific episodes.

    Basically content providers and copyright holders are sitting on a lot of movies and television shows that people want to see but they can’t release because they can’t profit enough of them because the audience is too small. Current copyright law means the sane option is to sit on the material and not let anybody watch it or only release it in a small area like the home country where chances for a profit are higher. Just releasing everything streaming is going to be a giant lost for many countries.

    L4: Race relations in Brazil make race relations in the United States look positively straight forward. Slavery lasted a generation longer in Brazil than it did in the United States but because it was country wide rather than tied to a particular geographic area, Brazil managed to end it peacefully. The Brazilian government encouraged European immigration to “whiten” the country but never felt compelled to formally or informally declare Afro-Brazilians and other Brazilians of color second-class citizens like Americans did. Likewise, inter-racial sex and romance never caused nearly the same level as moral panic in Brazil as it did in the United States. In many ways race relations in Brazil were much better than in the United States despite slavery lasting a generation longer. However, there was enough surface equality that made it possible for White Brazilians to ignore the actual racial disparities for a lot longer than was possible in the United States.Report

    • Avatar Glyph says:

      I’m not really sure how to compare the US and Brazil, but my Brazilian friend tells me that, yes, many Brazilians are racist as all hell. Which definitely seems weird to an American; FWIW, my Cuban friend tells me the same of Cubans, and I have actually seen that with my own two eyes: straight-up old-school literal “we don’t want to serve blacks at this restaurant counter” – style racism (this would have been in the mid-to-late 90s). I was gobsmacked that such a thing still existed, but she wasn’t surprised at all.Report

      • Avatar LeeEsq says:

        Cuba is another example that makes American race relations look straight forward. On the surface, Cuba is a lot less racist as a society than United States like Brazil. Even before Castro, the Afro-Cuban contribution to Cuban culture was always acknowledged and there were no official segregation laws, it was in fact illegal. Interracial sex and romance did not cause as much moral panic as it did in the United States. Yet, there is a lot of bellow the surface hatred against Afro-Cubans even after the Revolution that could manifest itself.Report

        • Avatar Gaelen says:

          The Dominican Republic is very similar. No real legal discrimination, but a very pervasive attitude that promotes whiteness and denigrates dark skin. Add in the prejudice against Haitians and it becomes even more complicated and toxicReport

      • Avatar LeeEsq says:

        My guess is that the driving difference between the United States, Cuba, and Brazil has to do with both religion and how the Americas were settled by the English, Spanish, and Portuguese. Cuba and Brazil are heavily Catholic countries and the Catholic Church emphasized the need to convert African slaves and the Native Americans to save their souls more than the Protestant churches did. It wasn’t perfect but the Roman Catholic Church did teach that they might be slaves but they are also humans with souls and need to be treated as such to an extent. Protestant England and the Netherlands and latter the United States were much more comfortable with treating Africans as things than Catholic Church as a matter of theology. This latter reflected how Africans were treated in the latter societies that came from the colonial era.

        Fewer Spanish and Portuguese women migrated to the New World compared to English women. This meant that interracial sex and relationships was going to be more open and less of an open secret than it was in the British colonies simply because of demographics.Report

        • Avatar Glyph says:

          Protestant England and the Netherlands and latter the United States were much more comfortable with treating Africans as things than Catholic Church as a matter of theology. This latter reflected how Africans were treated in the latter societies that came from the colonial era.

          Not real sure about your historo-theological work, there, Lou. I’ve mentioned that my grandmother’s generation/family (deep South) was deeply, deeply racist and blatantly held blacks to be inferior; but were still compelled by their (Protestant/Baptist) religion to treat black people charitably, as one would anyone who had been chosen by God to be “unlucky” – (say, a mentally-handicapped person, as a rough analogue in their worldview).

          Blacks weren’t “things with no souls”; they were Christian brothers and sisters, albeit ones with diminished mental capacity and impulse control; like a sibling that had substance abuse problems and scrapes with the law, they might want to see (in their minds) “tough love” type-controls implemented on black people, and deeply feared mixing the white and black races; but they were also, weirdly, compelled by their religion to, at times, treat black people better than they perhaps otherwise would’ve (a low bar, but still). For example, my grandmother and her sister had their poor black neighbors to eat at their own tables, and brought them food from their own gardens, when times were tough, and attending funerals and such. They treated them like family at times, in part because their brand of Christianity said they must.

          I’m not saying that their condescending and suspicious attitude towards black people wasn’t bad, and it allowed a whole host of behaviors that were wrong to go on; but it was considerably more-nuanced than I think you are making it out here, and I have to snort at any suggestion that Catholicism somehow comes out ahead in the historical “how to treat other races in the New World” contest.Report

          • Avatar Mo says:

            I presume your grandparents and their parents grew up in the postbellum world.Report

            • Avatar Glyph says:

              Well, sure. But the point Lee is trying to make is about how black people continued to be treated in the Jim Crow era and beyond and why, and his thesis just doesn’t track with my experiences, nor what I understand the historical record and mainstream theology of either Catholicism or Protestantism in the New World to be.

              I am also of the uninformed, tentative opinion (arrived at just now as I type!) that the differences between, say, Brazil and the US may not be that one is more or less racist than the other; or that one has more or less racial problems and tensions than the other; but that the US may be simply expressing its racial problems and tensions more transparently.

              In part because we have a two-party system, in which racial issues and resentments can be used easily and clearly and profitably as a wedge by both sides; and in part because, since we fought a war over slavery and people died, we clearly said that racism is something worth fighting over. We drew a bright line, and forever marked ‘racism’ as a life or death issue here.

              This was the right thing to do; but it may have the unintended effect of making racial problems a “battle” that we feel we must still be fighting, and that needs to be fought.

              Again, I believe this is the right thing to do; but that mindset, may contrast us with those countries that never fought and drew such a bright line, that simply continue to more or less muddle along, and kick their racial problems down the road to a degree that make the US look positively-diligent and proactive in its attentions to its own (Brazil is one place where the cops shoot even more people than here).

              If Brazil looks like it’s got fewer racial problems – maybe it’s because they just don’t talk about them as much as we do.Report

              • Avatar LeeEsq says:

                There is a very large element of treating race problems as the elephant in the room in Brazil and Cuba but there are substantial ways where they have done better than the United States on a non-superficial level. This includes getting much less worked up about interracial sex and marriage even if most White Cubans and Brazilians weren’t exactly thrilled about it. Paying lip service to the idea of racial equality even if not entirely sincere isn’t a bad thing.Report

          • Avatar Kolohe says:

            It wasn’t so much ‘catholicism’ as it was ‘Iberians that just had the inquisition and hadn’t yet had the counter reformation and had first mover advantages and smallpox’

            Catholicism in the western hemisphere has long been a different thing than Catholicism in Europe and a different thing than Protestantism in the western hemisphere. Catholicism in North America only started with its modern ‘conservative’ manifestation since the end of WW2.Report

      • Avatar Chris says:

        Yeah, I get the same information about Brazil from Brazilian friends (only Cuban people I know have never lived there). The same is of course true of the D.R., too, especially with regards to Haitians.Report

    • Avatar dragonfrog says:

      Depending whom you asked, you got different answers as to the ethnic heritage of the family we stayed with in Brazil.

      The father said his ancestors were German and Portuguese.
      The mother said her ancestors were Portuguese.
      The daughters said their ancestors were German, Portuguese, and Indigenous.

      Though neither parent would cop to having indigenous ancestors, we guessed by their appearances that the indigenous ancestry the daughters claimed (and appeared to have) was on their mother’s side.

      There were some old portraits of the father’s ancestors in their home, and one picture there – one of those black and white photos colourized by hand painting it – was really odd looking, until we realized that the man in it was black, but the photo was painted as though he were white. Looking at the father afterward, it seemed reasonable to guess he might indeed have had a few ancestors who were black.Report

      • Avatar LeeEsq says:

        All of what I know about Brazil is from my voracious reading and talking to a few Brazilians in the United States but that seems about right. Race in Brazil is a real interesting topic. They avoided enough of the deeper and more obvious problems of race that existed in the United States to make their claims about being a “racial democracy”, their words, plausible. Yet, there is a racial hierarchy and whites are on top. During the 19th and first part of the 20th century, the Brazilian government explicitly encouraged immigration to make the population more white (so did Argentina and Uruguay), etc.Report

    • Avatar El Muneco says:

      There’s also the strange case of “QI”, which the producers rightly realized would be a niche show at best in the USA (which is why we have so far had a grand total of three episodes, each aired once, on BBC America). So they only paid for use of copyrighted/trademarked material in the UK. As a result, not only are they not streaming it, they are forced to actively hunt down and eliminate bootlegged YouTube streams and have the offenders pulled.

      And of course “Only Connect”, which you’d think would have the same issue but doesn’t pull unofficial streams. The lack of official streams is probably because of the potential US audience for a quiz show that has a difficulty level akin to classic Jeopardy, only roided out like late-career Barry Bonds – and contains British cultural references obscure enough to stump native pub-quizzers. It basically consists of me and 500 other masochists.Report

  15. Cu5:

    Related: The GOP convention provides the city of Cleveland a chance to remind America about Larry Doby.Report

  16. Avatar Michael Cain says:

    Co2: My first e-reader was a nook, so I stuck with B&N for books. For every DRM’ed ebook I bought from them, I made an unencrypted archival copy. In hindsight, that was a good choice. First they discontinued the nook reader application for the Mac. Now they’ve managed to break “read on the web” to the point that I can’t read books I’ve purchased in a browser on the Mac. Mostly I bought non-fiction, and I want it on my Mac, on the screen where I’m writing. That’s apparently impossible now, at least with the legal copy. Fish ’em; I’ll buy my ebooks elsewhere.Report

  17. Avatar dragonfrog says:

    [S2] Science is from Earth, science journalism is from Uranus…

    [H4] I’m really glad we were able to get midwifery care when our daughter was born, and that in Alberta midwifery is a properly regulated medical profession. I get the impression that it varies from US state to state, from “midwifery is punishable by five to ten years imprisonment” through”if you can spell ‘midwife’ you can be one” to “medical profession with almost as much required training as a surgeon.”

    Apparently there are some obstetricians in our city with such high c-section rates that on the rare occasions they oversee a vaginal birth, nursing staff refer to it as a “failed cesarean.”Report

  18. Avatar Christopher Carr says:

    S1 – omgomgomgomg….soooooooooo pumped for the Island of Stability.Report

  19. Avatar Christopher Carr says:

    H5 – Why do we care so much about the privacy of health information?Report

  20. Avatar Donald J Trump, President-in-Waiting says:

    Listen, when they release my medical records, it will say my murmur is the GREATEST!Report

  21. Avatar notme says:

    So the idiots that run DC didn’t think there would be any consequences for raising the minimum wage and making the city a difficult place to do business?

    “Evans said that, behind closed doors, Walmart officials were more frank about the reasons the company was downsizing. He said the company cited the District’s rising minimum wage, now at $11.50 an hour and possibly going to $15 an hour if a proposed ballot measure is successful in November. He also said a proposal for legislation requiring D.C. employers to pay into a fund for family and medical leave for employees, and another effort to require a minimum amount of hours for hourly workers were compounding costs and concerns for the retailer.

    “They were saying, ‘How are we going to run the three stores we have, let alone build two more?’?” Evans said.”Report

  22. Avatar Damon says:

    L3: Hopefully the Peruvians will find these bozos and lock them up for a decade. Jeebus. Just like those idiots out west that walk on the crypobiotic sold even after the ranger tells them not to.Report

  23. Avatar notme says:

    Germans buying weapons so they wont be the next rapeugee victim Who can blame them, except Merkel?