Medicaid and the problems of law enforcement

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  1. Avatar greginak says:

    Medicaid expansion is one the issues which our legislature is fighting over while we careen towards a potential gov shutdown on July 1. Our new governor campaigned on expanding it, but the R dominated legislature is against it.Report

    • Avatar Damon in reply to greginak says:

      It’ll be a lot worse when the Federal version crashes and burns, or taxes are raised to cover the true cost of covering folks.Report

      • Avatar zic in reply to Damon says:

        maybe there other costs to consider.Report

        • Avatar Damon in reply to zic says:

          Never has the american public actually wanted to be taxed for all the free stuff they demand they gov’t provide them.Report

          • Avatar zic in reply to Damon says:

            I think you miss the point, @damon

            Just because you don’t want to pay for mental health care doesn’t mean you’re not paying for mental health care. The question is which method of paying for it is most cost effective and maximizes liberty.Report

            • Avatar Damon in reply to zic says:

              I’m not disagreeing with that Zic, but most folks don’t consider hidden costs when they think about their taxes.Report

              • Avatar zic in reply to Damon says:

                You are not debating most people, you’re debating me, on a topic that I’ve brought to the League’s attention twice now because the hidden costs are extremely high, both in dollars and freedom. There have been numbers of instances of police murdering mentally ill people, and there are astonishing numbers of mentally ill people in prison. Police are not trained to deal with mental illness.

                So I’m not sure what the whole point of your comments have been except knee-jerk, don’t-tax-me reactions. If I’ve actually missed a salient point, please feel free to reiterate it.Report

              • Avatar Damon in reply to zic says:

                Actually, I’m not debating you. My point was, and is, that people don’t see a lot of the negative impacts to their decisions about taxes and gov’t polices because the impact hit them very little, the negative consequences are widely diffused into the population, or they hit marginalized folks that aren’t very noticeable to the rest of society in the first place. Hell, politicians make a career out of giving people free stuff and hiding the consequences. This has nothing to do with “don’t tax me bro”. Can you hear me now?Report

  2. Avatar zic says:

    Just another tidbit on the mental health care from today’s NYT; google searches for therapists suggest that red states are bluer.

    Compared with blue states, red states have roughly 30 percent higher suicide rates and around 20 percent higher rates of major depression. Among many other factors, lack of therapy is probably playing a role in these outcomes.


  3. Avatar ktward says:

    Off topic, but I’m tickled to finally see you front-paging here, @zic.
    For whatever reasons, OT has been remarkably good at keeping me lurking for many years. This will do for a good while more.Report

  4. Avatar LeeEsq says:

    I think that even libertarians could agree that fighting crime with socialized medicine is better than fighting it with police bullets.Report