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Glyph is worse than some and better than others. He believes that life is just one damned thing after another, that only pop music can save us now, and that mercy is the mark of a great man (but he's just all right). Nothing he writes here should be taken as an indication that he knows anything about anything.

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  1. Avatar Jaybird
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    I was wondering where would be an appropriate place to discuss this sort of thing as it probably could be interpreted as a grenade while, on the other hand, could probably also be interpreted as an example of yet another old dude complaining about kids these days.

    http://www.dailycal.org/2015/01/20/occupy-syllabus/

    Anyway, this thread strikes me as the perfect place.Report

    • Avatar zic in reply to Jaybird
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      While we’re at it, can we discuss the comments on any McArdle post? Please?Report

    • Avatar Glyph in reply to Jaybird
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      Have at! This post was mostly to amuse me and hopefully others.Report

    • Avatar Chris in reply to Jaybird
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      Oh, that’s one of those things where I feel like saying, “They have some good points, and they express them poorly.” In other words, they’re young people.Report

    • Avatar Mad Rocket Scientist in reply to Jaybird
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      @jaybird

      Sorry, I stopped reading that when the words “Classical Social Theory” was followed by “The syllabus did not include a single woman or person of color.”

      Granted this isn’t my field, but ‘Classical’ tends to imply that the material will be from an age when White Men did the majority of publishing in the field. I skimmed the rest of the article and didn’t spot any obvious call-outs by the authors to potential thinkers who are female, or persons of color who fit the ‘Classical’ descriptor.

      If one is going to complain that a course is not inclusive, one should do the leg work to offer some alternative suggestions.Report

      • Avatar Chris in reply to Mad Rocket Scientist
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        If you’ve gotten to Foucault and you haven’t included a single woman, the word “classical” can’t save you.Report

      • Avatar Jaybird in reply to Mad Rocket Scientist
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        When I was taking classical Greek Philosophy, we spent a couple of days on Sappho, and got into the Lysistrata with a great enthusiasm (which, while written by a dude, was obviously a dude who had spoken to a non-zero number of women at at least one point) as well as half a class spent on the murder of Hypatia.

        Now, these classes were in more of my specialized classes rather than in the intro ones. While I’m willing to argue that this could be indicative of a problem, I don’t know how much time they’re really going to be devoting in this class to the weeds as opposed to the high notes.

        If you’re in a class on classical Greek poetry? YES. YOU NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT SAPPHO. If you’re discussing Classical Social Theory? I could see how a professor might not mention Sappho at all.Report

      • Avatar Mad Rocket Scientist in reply to Mad Rocket Scientist
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        Ahhh! Wrong Foucault!

        (Told this wasn’t my field)Report

      • Avatar Mad Rocket Scientist in reply to Mad Rocket Scientist
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        @chris

        Still, if one is going to complain, one should offer up alternatives that would fit on the syllabus.Report

      • Avatar Jaybird in reply to Mad Rocket Scientist
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        (To be honest, I can’t help but wonder if the section on Foucault wouldn’t be the section that addresses the issues that they’re saying they have.)Report

      • Avatar Chris in reply to Mad Rocket Scientist
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        MRS, with that I agree. If I were to write a similar op-ed, it wouldn’t have been so overwrought, and it would have offered an alternative syllabus for the class, one that included the classics, and in the more modern portion of the course, included readings from some women and non-Europeans.

        But kids… In their defense, that op-ed would have been even more insufferable had it been written in 1995.Report

      • Avatar Mad Rocket Scientist in reply to Mad Rocket Scientist
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        @chris

        Perhaps this is just me, but I’m not so inclined to grant them the whole “Eh, they’re just kids”. They are college students taking an upper division class (I’m assuming here that this means it is a class meant for Seniors or grad students), so I would think that they have the ability to produce written work that doesn’t look like something an over-wrought high schooler would kick out.

        (OK, that is a bit unfair, the writing wasn’t as bad as what I’ve seen high schoolers produce.)

        Still, the arguments put forth seem designed to rally the faithful, not to convince the powers that be. Although perhaps that was the point of the op-ed…Report

      • Avatar Chris in reply to Mad Rocket Scientist
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        Mad, email and the text message have ruined writing, and blogs have ruined thinking.

        I pretty much assume that, outside of their classes, these kids have never read anything by anyone whom they disagreed, except possibly as the blockquoted text in a blog fisking.Report

      • Avatar Mad Rocket Scientist in reply to Mad Rocket Scientist
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        I pretty much assume that, outside of their classes, these kids have never read anything by anyone whom they disagreed, except possibly as the blockquoted text in a blog fisking.

        LMAO!

        Chris wins the thread!Report

    • Avatar Jaybird in reply to Jaybird
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      Now that I think about it, if I were one of those nutballs that wanted universities to stop teaching Marx, this would be a way that might actually work.Report

    • Avatar Burt Likko in reply to Jaybird
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      Re: Daily Cal piece. Is that a Reverse Poe? I’m not sure if that’s winking parody or deadpan sincere.Report

  2. Avatar Chris
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    Yes. Except the parts that are no.Report

  3. Avatar Mad Rocket Scientist
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    Well Glyph, all I can say is… It’s about damn time you realized all that!Report

  4. Avatar Chris
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    My jokes are always funny.

    Your jokes are always Dennis Miller circa 2003.Report

  5. Avatar j r
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    This post reminds me of a certain song by white rapper Mickey Avalon, also featuring Dirt Nasty (aka Simon Rex, the former MTV VJ and porno actor). I won’t link to the song, because of its very NSFW nature, but maybe some of you know it.Report

  6. Avatar kenB
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    Not the same thing but it reminds me of Bertrand Russell’s game of Conjugations:

    I am firm. You are obstinate. He is a pig-headed fool.
    I’m an idealist. You’re a Utopian. He’s a fuzzy-thinking radical.
    I’m cautious. You’re timid. He’s chicken-hearted.
    I’m glib. You’re garrulous. He can’t keep his mouth shut.
    I’m human. You’re prone to err. He’s a blundering idiot.Report

  7. Avatar Will Truman
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    Have you need following me on Facebook or something?Report

    • Avatar Glyph in reply to Will Truman
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      I don’t do Facebook (spits over shoulder). And this isn’t targeted at anyone.

      It’s targeted at everyone (including me), if that makes any sense…Report

    • Avatar Chris in reply to Will Truman
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      What’s very clear is that if people simply accepted that I’m right about everything, things would go a lot smoother ’round here.Report

      • Avatar Chris in reply to Chris
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        I should note that I tried this tactic with R., and it didn’t go over so well.Report

      • Avatar Glyph in reply to Chris
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        A good friend of mine (the guy who opened Swan Dive, actually) was once in a fight with his girlfriend of the time (I don’t recall what it was about). He made and gave her a necklace with beads on it as a “conciliatory” gesture.

        The beads each had a letter on them, and they spelled out “(FRIEND’S NAME) IS THE MAN”.

        They broke up shortly thereafter.

        (I had another friend who had a girl break up with him because they were in a heated argument in the car, and in the midst of that argument, he “Punch-Buggied” her, as they were in the habit of doing; but it was definitely Not The Time For It.)

        (I had some immature friends back in the day).Report

      • Avatar Chris in reply to Chris
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        I probably would punch buggy in the middle of an argument. I haven’t really grown up.

        The beads, though… even I could see that was a bad idea.Report

      • Avatar Glyph in reply to Chris
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        I forgot the immature coda to the bead necklace story. He then attempted to give the necklace (which the girlfriend of course did not accept) to another friend (#2) who shares his same name, as a birthday gift.

        (#2) knew (#1) wouldn’t have just made something so thoughtful and personalized for him as a birthday gift, and interrogated/dragged the true ridiculous story out of (#1).

        Then (#2) proceeded to wear the necklace as a headband at his birthday celebration anyway, and get so drunk that he passed out in the front yard in a fire ant pile.

        So perhaps the necklace….was CURSED! Dun-dun-dun….Report

      • Avatar Chris in reply to Chris
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        Many, many years ago I dated a woman who was exceptionally smart, but she took any disagreement as a sign that I, or whoever disagreed with her, thought she was stupid. This was before the internet had really blown up, so I didn’t realize that, “If you disagree with me, you must think I’m an idiot” was a common thing. I remember driving up Interstate 5 from San Diego to L.A., stumbling into an argument with her about something stupid, and within minutes desperately wanting to jump out of the window, off the cliff, and into the Pacific Ocean, at which point, should I somehow survive the fall, I would swim as far out to see as my arms and legs would let me.Report

      • Avatar Mad Rocket Scientist in reply to Chris
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        @chris

        That sounds like my sister. I had to unfriend her on Facebook because I just could not handle all the crap she lobbed my way when I disagreed with her.Report

      • Avatar Will Truman in reply to Chris
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        I’m surprised that relationship didn’t make it, Chris.Report

      • Avatar Chris in reply to Chris
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        and get so drunk that he passed out in the front yard in a fire ant pile.

        Amateur. You mow those things before the party.Report

      • Avatar Glyph in reply to Chris
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        It was a rental, we didn’t mow jack.Report

      • Avatar Chris in reply to Chris
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        Will, she friended me on Facebook a year or so ago, and we had a very awkward conversation about why we broke up. She told me, in essence, that I was the last guy she really got along with, and wanted to know why we couldn’t make it work. I was thinking, “Wait, did we have the same relationship?”Report

      • Avatar James Hanley in reply to Chris
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        It was a rental, we didn’t mow jack.

        There should be a law requiring the landlord to compensate you for mowing.Report

      • Avatar Glyph in reply to Chris
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        That landlord and I almost came to blows once, because a possum had died way under the house and the stench was unbearable. He wouldn’t do anything about it, so I hired an animal removal company that charged three hundred bucks, and deducted it from rent.

        When I balked at the $300 price, the trapper said “I have to crawl under an old house, with unknown, probably outdated electrical wiring, maybe water, possibly snakes, etc, etc…and when I reach the target, the BEST case scenario is that a large bloated animal corpse is the only thing I have to deal with, and not any other live animals that may have been related to it, or are feeding on it.

        Now…how much would I have to pay YOU to do that?”

        I shrugged and said, “About three hundred bucks.”Report

      • Avatar Mike Schilling in reply to Chris
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        I hired an animal removal company that charged three hundred bucks, and deducted it from rent.

        And in return, he horsewhipped you on the steps of his club.Report

      • Avatar Glyph in reply to Chris
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        No, but I really did think he was gonna take a swing. He looked like it, then he walked away, then he came back again. He was *pissed*. But what the hell was I supposed to do? The house was uninhabitable, and it wasn’t me who’d failed to block access to underneath it. We’d been hoping it was a squirrel or a snake or something small that would get better with some time, but this just kept getting worse. We had placed pans of powdered carpet cleaner and mothballs to try to absorb/mask the scent all over the first floor. It was summertime, truly horrendous.Report

  8. Avatar Burt Likko
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    I am open-minded enough to consider reasonable arguments and evidence offered against my position, but you have offered no such thing. Consequently, your claim to have the superior position in this exchange is risible.

    By contrast, you stubbornly refuse to accept plainly obvious and reliably-cited facts poking holes in your premise, and are too blinded by emotion to accept even the most basic conclusions of logic and common sense leading, inevitably, to the downfall of your position.

    I grow tired of being merely contradicted. Thus, I claim victory and withdraw.Report

  9. Avatar Gabriel Conroy
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    “I may agree with what you have to say, but will nitpick to the death the way you said it.”Report

  10. Avatar Stillwater
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    This seems apropo:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecn5be5MBJE

    Especially Scorpius chair, which is an analogy for …. oh forget it.Report

  11. Avatar Tod Kelly
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    Dude, I’m Tod Kelly. Are you Tod Kelly? No? Then why are we even having this conversation?Report

  12. Avatar zic
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    And I’m trying to find an appropriate analogy for this. Does this demote the Governor of Big™ to the the Clown Car of Contenders?Report

  13. Avatar Damon
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    You make the assumption that I care what you think. That your opinions matter, in some way, to me. I’m barely aware of your existence.Report

  14. Avatar aaron david
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    To quote Johny Casper “You’se fancy pants, all of you”Report

  15. Avatar Mike Schilling
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    I do self-referential sarcasm so much better than that.Report

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