It’s Time to Have an Honest Conversation About Race…


Tod Kelly

Tod is a writer from the Pacific Northwest. He is also serves as Executive Producer and host of both the 7 Deadly Sins Show at Portland's historic Mission Theatre and 7DS: Pants On Fire! at the White Eagle Hotel & Saloon. He is  a regular inactive for Marie Claire International and the Daily Beast, and is currently writing a book on the sudden rise of exorcisms in the United States. Follow him on Twitter.

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49 Responses

  1. Avatar Jaybird says:

    I heard that the White Vice President’s son tested positive for cocaine.

    Well, at least it was a rich people drug, right?Report

  2. Avatar Kazzy says:

    Slow clap…Report

  3. Avatar Will H. says:

    . . . and I thought this was a piece of performance art:
    Youths Dancing on Upturned Car.

    Not particularly my cup of tea, but anything in the medium of tangled steel I find so 80’s.
    Tedium is the most heinous crime; apathy the natural state of man.Report

    • Avatar Patrick in reply to Will H. says:

      Tedium is the most heinous crime; apathy the natural state of man.

      I rather like that turn of phrase.Report

      • Avatar Will H. in reply to Patrick says:

        Of course, there are the preparatory crimes associated with tedium:
        Attempted Tedium, Solicitation of Tedium, Intentional Tedium, Tedium-in-fact, etc.
        There are also the aggravating factors:
        Aggravated Tedium, Habitual Tedium, etc.

        Be on the lookout for tedium in progress.Report

  4. Avatar zic says:

    They are not just white, they are white males, for the most part, rioting in Keene; I count two definite females; at least 11 males, the rest unknown, in your top photo.

    So let’s talk about the real problem. Not just white, not only white, but those guilty of being male while being white.Report

  5. Avatar Damon says:

    Godwin’s Law
    Too big to fail
    Male privilege

  6. Avatar Saul Degraw says:

    Well played…Report

  7. Avatar Lyle says:

    See the various riots on campuses after basketball tournament victories and losses. Once again booze involved. (as this was). Again typically the same group involved.Report

  8. Avatar KatherineMW says:

    Fantastic, Tod.Report

  9. Avatar John Howard Griffin says:

    It’s Time to Have an Honest Conversation About Race…

    And by that, you mean, it’s time to write a humorous and snarky post, turning the tables and reversing the roles of the races, followed by everyone out-joking one another in the comments. Because that way we don’t actually have to have an honest conversation about race, as long as we are witty and erudite (and white, preferably, or at least that we act white).

    For those that would be influenced by a post like this, they are already aware of the hypocrisy of a white society. For those that wouldn’t, well, this post would do nothing. It seems more like the self-congratulatory thing that white folks do to make themselves feel superior because they get the joke (which means they don’t actually have to grapple with the issues). Either way, this post is all about white people.

    You know why this is not funny to me? Because what Mr. Kelly wrote is written about my race every day.Report

    • Avatar Kim in reply to John Howard Griffin says:

      Satire doesn’t need to be funny to be pointed and witty.Report

    • That’s a fair enough point. Though, fwiw, this was not meant to be a funny, humorous, or snarky post.Report

    • Because what Mr. Kelly wrote is written about my race every day.

      And using a little bit of substitution, one hopes that those who are inclined to write such things about your race see how absurd the statements are.

      Now, I suppose, it might be a tad circle-jerky given that those who are inclined to write such things probably aren’t inclined to read Ordinary Times (except, of course, to find examples of beta maleness).

      I’m thinking about what a post where we grapple with the issues would look like and, so far, most of the flashes I see involve many of us repeating things we’ve said before. We’d talk about the War on Drugs, the issues of culture, the issues of Paternalism, the issues of going out of our way to avoid Paternalism, education policy, tax policy, and health care policy. Some people will want to talk about what individuals can do in the middle of a thread about what we, as a society, need to do. Other people will get all defensive about what we, as a society, need to do and will discuss what they, as individuals, have done and how that should be enough.

      I’m sure you know the script and who will be playing whom. Again.Report

    • Avatar Roger Ferguson in reply to John Howard Griffin says:

      OK. I’ll take you up on your implicit challenge, and make a brief but as honest-as-I-can-make-it comment.

      I get that you didn’t find the post funny. I didn’t grasp your comment at first, but upon reflection came to a better understanding of it. So a personal thanks for making it and for contributing to an honest discussion.

      I did find the post “funny,” at least in the sense that I felt foolish for not having recognized its point before being slapped with it. I had read about the events, had the usual reactions about kids being kids, and pretty much never thought about how very differently the reports would have gone had the issue of race been directly raised. So for me, Tod’s post hit a target. One might even say I was “influenced” by it.

      I and many others spend time trying to grasp, as best we can, what it means to be a privileged member of a racist society. Do I get it right all of the time? Nope. But I urge you not to lump every “white person” into one of two camps: those you dismiss as nothing but “self-congratulatory” because they “get It,” or those who couldn’t possibly be affected by the post because they don’t. Otherwise, you’re going to get responses like Jaybird’s, which you might (and understandably so, meaning no disrespect to Jaybird) have found as dismissive as your comment to Tod. I understand that wasn’t your intent, but I suspect it wasn’t Tod’s either. Nor is it mine.Report

    • This post mocks an outrage; race-based bias in media coverage of youthful barbarism. It does so by pointedly reversing racial terms. (Also class terms; all those neglectful middle-manager fathers.) The result is an outrage because it accurately reflects an outrage.

      Of course society is hypocritical. Hypocrisy is not a bug, nor a feature; it’s the operating system. Everyone knows that; but people don’t need teaching as much as they need reminding.Report

  10. Avatar notme says:


    Is this one of those stunt threads were you try to make point about white people or republicans?

    I’ve got news for you. The riots that are going to happen in Ferguson after the grand jury no bills Ofc. Wilson are going to make this look like nothing. There has been more evidence coming out now about the incident and it looks better for Wilson. Sorry Chris.

  11. Avatar Brandon Berg says:

    Correlations are real-valued.Report