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Will Truman

Will Truman is the Editor-in-Chief of Ordinary Times. He is also on Twitter.

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  1. Avatar North says:

    Gargoyles was, of course, utterly awesome. Such a complete and engrossing world.

    Gummie Bears is, technically the ur-Disney afternoon show- it’s the show that established the very concept of the Disney afternoon and again it had a rather interesting (if simple) universe built around it.

    For me, after giving GB their due, I’d say Tailspin was above the others. Shere Khan made such a delicious character- the tiger translated to vicious corporate ceo very well.

    And yes, Goof Troop was horrific (though I was also outgrowing Disney afternoons by that point.Report

    • Avatar Will Truman in reply to North says:

      Shere Khan was utterly badness. The first villain of that type I may have ever been exposed to. Kind of in contrast to the tinpot dictator or the sky pirates.Report

      • Avatar Glyph in reply to Will Truman says:

        Somewhat OT, but after you (I think it was you?) mentioned Batman: TAS in a Linky Friday, I noticed they had it streaming free on Amazon Prime and have watched the first few eps with The Boy.

        He seems to really like it, I had never seen it before; it does a pretty good job of capturing the “tone” of Batman/Gotham City without being TOO dour.Report

      • BTAS walks that line extremely well. The commentary and extras are particularly interesting, with the various battles they had with the network on what they could and couldn’t show. They actually felt that a lot of the limitations forced them to be more creative.

        DC-WB still hasn’t figured out films the way that Marvel has, but they did win television early on.Report

      • Avatar Jaybird in reply to Will Truman says:

        Prior to the Nolan movies, fandom (or, at least, my corner of it) had reached a consensus that Batman: Mask of the Phantasm was the best Batman movie.Report

      • Avatar Jim Heffman in reply to Will Truman says:

        You wonder what Rudyard Kipling would have thought of TaleSpin.

        “You took my legacy…and did…THIS?!”Report

      • Avatar North in reply to Will Truman says:

        I think the risen zombie Kipling would have been too busy freaking out over the decline of the Empire and the sweeping social changes to pay much mind to Tailspin. The Just so Stories were written to be read to 3-6 year olds. Compared to that Tailspin targetted a downright venerable 9-14 year old audience.Report

      • Avatar North in reply to Will Truman says:

        Agreed @will truman Shere Khan was epic. He was like an encapsulation of capitalism in some ways; ruthlessly criminal if he could get away with it but so rationally practical and efficient when playing within the rules. By contrast the dictator and the pirate were unmitigated crooks.Report

      • Avatar LeeEsq in reply to Will Truman says:

        B:TAS was interesting because it started out on a kid’s block, moved to prime time because people thought it would work, and moved back to a kid’s block when it bombed in prime time. You can really see that the creators of BTAS would have loved to gone full anime, meaning having the relative lack of restrictions that anime has while still technically being a kid’s show. They really are trying to imply things like death and sex without being too explicit about it. Gargoyles is similar.

        It would be interesting to see what American cartoons would be like if they had the same sort of lack of censorship that exists in anime.Report

      • Avatar Pinky in reply to Will Truman says:

        The DCAU (DC animated universe) is really good overall. The Superman and first Batman shows are definitely worth watching. Batman Beyond was set in the future and sometimes lost its way. Static Shock isn’t worth the effort.Report

      • Avatar LeeEsq in reply to Will Truman says:

        As I understand it, Batman Beyond was a result of a compromise. The money people at Warner Brothers really wanted a Batman cartoon where Bruce Wayne was a teenager rather than an adult man. Basically, Batman:The High School Years. The creative team was really against this for some reason. At the very least they thought it was cliche. Creating a show in a future with a new teenage boy taking up Batman’s mantle was the compromise worked out.Report

      • Avatar Jaybird in reply to Will Truman says:

        My own, perhaps cliched, complaint about Batman Beyond was that every single bad guy was involved in environmental pollution. Sure, there were psychopaths for Batman to fight… but they were psychopaths for hire to be hired by corporations that wanted to skirt regulations and pollute.

        It felt like the Wendy and Marvin era of the Superfriends.Report

      • I thought Batman Beyond was fine for what it was. BTAS was fantastic, but I think it was time to take it in another direction.Report

      • Avatar Jaybird in reply to Will Truman says:

        Oh, there were some great moments… my favorite was the young punk yelling at Old Bruce “We’re Jokers!” and he says “Sure you are” before beating the ever-living itshay out of them.

        But then they go to the main storyline and it’s about a supervillian who was created inadvertently when a corporation cut corners when it came to getting rid of nuclear waste.Report

      • Avatar North in reply to Will Truman says:

        Old Bruce Wayne was so deliciously dry and deadpan.Report

      • Avatar LeeEsq in reply to Will Truman says:

        @north, Kipling was a complicated fellow. Its hard to know what he would think of the modern age. He was a British patriot, despite marrying an American woman, to the core and big believer in the Empire. He was perhaps the most sincere believer in the Empire ever. At the same time, he could at least kind of see the contradictions of Empire and would probably know well and when it was time to quit.

        He would loathe the changes that Disney made to the Jungle Book though. Chuck Jones’ adaptations are much more faithful and delightful.Report

      • Avatar North in reply to Will Truman says:

        I have very little doubt of that Lee. Frankly it is quite an odd change when you look at it. Kipling to the animated jungle book was a significant jump but then taking those animated characters and making them anthropomorphic denizens trying to earn a living in an odd techno frontier world? That’s like a rocket to the moon.

        But I still liked it.Report

      • Avatar Mike Schilling in reply to Will Truman says:

        Something I learned fairly recently is that in the earliest Mowgli story he was a grown man. His appearances in the First and Second Jungle Books are prequels.Report

      • Avatar LeeEsq in reply to Will Truman says:

        According to Tv Tropes, the Jungle Book came about by Walt Disney telling his staff that he wants to create a movie based on the Jungle Book but he doesn’t want anybody on the staff to read the book. He just gave them a rough outline of the characters and plot and told them to work from there in the Disney style. This worked for everybody apparently accept the composer who decided to read the Jungle Book. Its why some of the music could be darker than the rest of the movie, it matches the tone of the original.Report

      • Avatar Mike Schilling in reply to Will Truman says:

        That kind of explains why in the movie Bagheera is the stuffy one and Baloo is the fun one; walt misremembered.Report

  2. Avatar Saul Degraw says:

    I never liked Disney that much. I was never a Disney-head.Report

  3. Avatar Jim Heffman says:

    Did you ever notice how every Disney cartoon has at least one scene in the opening where the lead male character dresses in drag?

    What’s *that* about?Report

  4. Avatar Tod Kelly says:

    I was an adult when those came on, and I thought they were all terrible — except Darkwing Duck.

    I still think “Let’s… get… dangerous” is a catchphrase worthy of a golden age Marvel character.Report

  5. Did anyone watch the video? It’s pretty adorable.Report

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