James K

James is a government policy analyst, and lives in Wellington, New Zealand. His interests including wargaming, computer gaming (especially RPGs and strategy games), Dungeons & Dragons and scepticism. No part of any of his posts or comments should be construed as the position of any part of the New Zealand government, or indeed any agency he may be associated with.

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  1. Avatar Damon says:

    Yeah, I got the Lesbian vibe as well. From a story line perspective, we know at this point that Talia is or was, hetero, or leaned that way, since she was married to Jason Ironheart. So, this could be some real Lesbian leaning or the “spy personality” could be pushing her to Ivanova as part of it’s program.

    I’m not sure what date the whole Willow and Buffy thing started, but there was a lesbian kiss on Deep Space Nine on 30 October 1995 between Terry Farrell and another woman. I believe that Buffy started in 1997.Report

    • Avatar James K in reply to Damon says:

      It’s always possible that Talia’s sexuality changed over time, or that she was bisexual. That would explain Vinabin’f srryvatf sbe Znephf.

      Alternatively, Control’s dialogue at the end of the episode could also be taken to mean that it was Control manipulating Talia into falling for Ivanova.

      I do recall the kiss on DS9, but I was thinking about same-sex relationships more than same-sex kisses.Report

  2. Avatar Damon says:

    As to the whole on demand physical paper, I actually kinda like this. For those of us who don’t like e-readers (ie “Pads” in the star trek world), but like the physicallness of reading and turning the pages, this is a wonderfull thing.Report

  3. Avatar Dman says:

    When I first saw this episode, I had no lesbian vibe from it. But after listening to other people talk about that, I watch it now and can see that point of view.

    I like this episode a lot. It shows, again, just how scary the Psicorps can be and give you another look at the threat there. I always thought it was surprising no one tried to keep Lyta on the station. You just had a psychic mole, you would think the B5 team would think about keeping some defense around. Even if it was a 5 second scene having Lyta say, “No thanks.”Report

    • Avatar James K in reply to Dman says:

      Bear in mind that Lyta’s a rogue telepath. The Psicorps can send psicops to arrest her and they’d have every legal right to do so. Ltya had to stay under the radar.Report

      • Avatar Dman in reply to James K says:

        How under the radar could she possibly be with blowing Control’s cover?

        Also, the B5 crew has shown that they will break the rules when they need to and this could have been one of those rules to break.Report

    • Avatar Damon in reply to Dman says:

      I’m not sure how much of a vibe is coming off the scene versus how much might be projection by viewers. I can tell you that I’d sure as hell be interested in seeing Talia and Susan make out, and it has nothing to do with the B5 story line or anything else along those lines.

      That’s a fine line, because I remember some hubub over the spin off Crusade and the fights JMS had with the network, who wanted more skin shown and more sexyness from the female thief.Report

  4. Avatar Pinky says:

    Vinabin yngre nqzvgf gb univat orra va ybir jvgu Gnyvn. Gurer’f orra n yvggyr qvfphffvba nobhg gurve sevraqfuvc orsber guvf, vs V erpnyy pbeerpgyl, ohg guvf vf gur bayl rcvfbqr vzcylvat n ebznapr. Vinabin yngre unf n znyr ybir vagrerfg.Report

  5. Avatar Jason Tank says:

    Word of God says: gurer jnf qrsvavgryl frk vaibyirq, ohg gurl pbhyqa’g or nal zber rkcyvpvg nobhg vg guna gur “jnxvat hc va orq nybar” fprar.

    What’s interesting to me, which I’m not sure is ever even brought up again, is that PsiCorps now has loyal, telekinetic in their ranks… unless that was somehow erased by the personality-swap.Report

  6. Avatar KatherineMW says:

    Yay, we’re finally back!

    This episode is another example of just how extensively JMS prepared for any cast changes that could mess with the show. The actress playing Talia had to leave, so this episode simultaneously removes her – in a way that’s plot-relevant and has a strong emotional impact and creates space for a major revelation from Ivanova – and reintroduces Lyta (or introduces her, for anyone who didn’t watch the pilot).

    I get the feeling that JMS wanted them to have a romantic connection but couldn’t get it past the network.

    According to JMS that’s exactly what happened – he wanted to be clearer about a romantic relationship between them starting this episode, when Talia spent the night in Ivanova’s quarters, but the network wouldn’t let him. My interpretation is that it was genuine, not prompted by the PsiCorps sleeper programming. Which would mean they’re both bi.

    (By the way, you’ve got today’s episode listed as “Confessions and Lamentations” rather than “Divided Loyalties” in the second line. Should fix that.)

    I can do the next episode recap if needed. Vg znl vapyhqr fbzr vagrzcrengr pbzzragf ba gur Pragnhev va trareny naq Ybaqb Zbyynev va cnegvphyne.Report

    • Avatar James K in reply to KatherineMW says:


      Go for it, It’ll save me doing 3 episodes in a row.

      (By the way, you’ve got today’s episode listed as “Confessions and Lamentations” rather than “Divided Loyalties” in the second line. Should fix that.)

      Thanks, fixed.

      Vg znl vapyhqr fbzr vagrzcrengr pbzzragf ba gur Pragnhev va trareny naq Ybaqb Zbyynev va cnegvphyne.

      Gur “ab cbyvgvpf” ehyr qbrfa’g nccyl gb svpgvbany cbyvgvpf.Report