The Tale of Two Brooklyns

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  1. Jim Heffman says:

    “Why should I have to move? I want to stay in the place I grew up!”

    But what if that place doesn’t want you in it anymore?Report

    • Glyph in reply to Jim Heffman says:

      Dad? Is that you?Report

    • Saul DeGraw in reply to Jim Heffman says:

      This is difficult for a variety of reasons:

      1. I do think that there are people who grew up in neighborhoods and get priced out and need to move because of gentrification and I do have sympathy for these people. Bushwick is now gentrifying and they can no longer afford to live there.

      2. That being said there are also people who live in neighborhoods as gentrifiers and complain about when the neighborhood slips away from their platonic ideal or what it was when they moved in and I find it a bit hard to have sympathy here. But it is an interesting pull between the needs of residents and the needs of visitors and how a J.Crew can replace a fruit and veggie market. Hayes Valley was always a retail corridor of the fancy sort since I moved to SF. Now they are building more codos though.Report

  2. veronica dire says:

    Oddly, I was in Brooklyn for the first time in my life the weekend: at a friend’s art show in (what I think is) Williamsburg, at an adorable little gallery. After the show a bunch of us ended up at a little nearby bar where they played R&B too loudly and a couple dudebros tried to chat up me and my wife. (About which, awkward!)

    So, yeah, the gentrification was pretty thick.

    I still like Manhattan better.Report

    • Saul DeGraw in reply to veronica dire says:

      The dudebros are a pretty recent addition that make the original gentrifiers angry.Report

      • veronica dire in reply to Saul DeGraw says:

        I kinda don’t get them, since they weren’t visibly queer in any way and I’m quite visibly trans. I mean, some men like me, but not these sort of men.

        My current theory is the one talkative dude was pulling his buddy along for PUA training or something, like can he chat up these low-risk girls, since — like — who cares if the tranny shoots you down.

        Which is really awful and cynical and maybe I’m totally wrong.

        But then again, dudebros.

        In the end, however, they were a minor distraction. I was there to see my friend who I haven’t seen in 10 years, and she was amazing and beautiful and her art was awesome and Yay! friends who I still love.Report

      • Kim in reply to Saul DeGraw says:

        I must not be understanding this story very well.
        If the guys were just there to practice “conversational” skills, well, I suppose that’s okay until you gals tell them you’re not into that. [Presume idiocy of anyone in a bar imbibing alcohol. better to be surprised.]

        (also, I didn’t realize you were married…)Report

      • veronica dire in reply to Saul DeGraw says:

        @kim — Well, they joined us at our table and chatted for a while, and they were reasonably entertaining and did nothing creepy or overtly offensive. But they were still pretty bro-tastic, just that cocky male thing — you know. And they were clearly playing an “alpha and his wingman” routine, which makes me suspect they follow the PUA script.

        Anyway, there were no overt “negs” and I found them charming enough. So, yeah, just a thing.Report

      • dhex in reply to Saul DeGraw says:

        “The dudebros are a pretty recent addition”

        i disagree – the original inhabitants (and their kids) in the italian parts of wburg are guidos. are guidos not dudebros, though? maybe they’re not “white” enough, as it were?Report

      • Glyph in reply to Saul DeGraw says:

        are guidos not dudebros?

        What’s in a name? That which we call a dudebro
        By any other name would smell as sweetly of Axe.Report

      • dhex in reply to Saul DeGraw says:

        if you cut a dudebro, does he not bro?Report

      • Glyph in reply to Saul DeGraw says:

        I think he says, “Don’t tase cut me, bro.”Report

  3. Kim says:

    Squirrel Hill manages to have a mostly local shopping scene. That’s because a lot of people walk. But it’s also because we’re solidly not hip. Sure, some people come for the restaurants, but the parking sucks, and it’s not a real place to be “seen”.Report

  4. Kolohe says:

    “A lot of friends from college lived in my old Brooklyn neighborhood and are not complaining about housing costs but about how the retail scene is changing especially for daily necessities like food”

    That’s not the gentrification pattern in DC, though. The first thing a gentrifying neighborhood gets in this area is either a renovated Safeway or Giant and/or a new Harris Teeter – with both Whole Foods and now Walmart w/ groceries thrown into the mix.

    But there were always fewer bodegas around here and the ‘international’ supermarkets are generally (50’s and 60’s) supermarket size, having arisen since the age of suburbanization.Report

  5. DRS says:

    Has the rest of your third paragraph gone out for coffee and got stuck waiting in line at the espresso bar?Report