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  1. Avatar Damon says:

    Indeed, this gets the arc moving and is one of my favorite episodes.

    “Because Morden is NEVER alone”

    We begin to see the lines of the conflict, the alliances of light and dark. That sacrifice is sometimes necessary. When Sheridan is debating whether to let Morden go, he talks to Zach about WWII and the bombing of a city in England AFTER the Brits had broken the German codes. To evacuate the city would clue the Germans in that their codes were broken. That would likely lengthen the war. So instead, the English city was allowed to be destroyed. We see similar sacrifices in this story arc as well..

    “We rise and fall together. And some of us must be sacrificed if all are to be saved. Because, if we fail in this, then none of us will be saved”Report

  2. Avatar Jaybird says:

    I loved this episode. The main thing I wonder about is how many Mordens there actually are. Surely there isn’t just the one on Babylon 5…Report

  3. Avatar James K says:

    A great recap of a great episode. To me this is the point where the show’s prologue ends and the real show begins.

    It has exactly the same name and abbreviation as the place that tortures people in 1984, because the writers of Babylon 5 either aren’t familiar with the concept of “subtlety” in political allusions, or think their audience isn’t.

    Actually it was Miniluv that tortured people in 1984, Minipax waged war. I don’t know if the name is really supposed to be a serious political allusion – in the commentary JMS mentions that’s he’s a big fan of 1984 and B5 is littered with little shout-outs, so I figure the name Minipax is just another one of those.

    It’s simultaneously nostalgic and saddening to be watching a show where holding someone without charges was something that could only happen in very exceptional circumstances, instead of showing up ever week on crime procedurals.

    I know what you mean, these days Sheridan’s behaviour would be portrayed as determined and cunning.Report

  4. Avatar Dman says:

    Another great episode. Vir has one of his best moments. I love that speech. I also like how we finally find out the details behind the Shadows and why the Vorlons seems so far ahead of every other race. We also receive a blunt instrument to head about the darkness growing on Earth. I also like how easy it is for good people (Zack) to fall into it. Will it come back to bite him???

    “Now, if I was the Shadows, that kind of a turnaround would make me more suspicious that someone knew something.”

    I would not be surprised if they are a little more suspicious, but they could also think that Sheridan was found out and his superiors told him to let Morden go or you will be relieved of command and then Morden will be let go. It does not seem like the hidden shadows do much spying, so they did not see the reason why Morden was let go.Report

    • Avatar KatherineMW in reply to Dman says:

      Being invisible creatures, you’d really think they’d take more advantage of opportunities to spy on people. Even if the image of Shadows listening at Delenn’s keyhole is rather amusing.Report

      • Avatar Dman in reply to KatherineMW says:

        Agreed. They could be spying all over the station, but they just camp out with Morden. And if I was Sheridan I would remember the visual frequency he used to see them.Report

      • Avatar Damon in reply to KatherineMW says:

        If you listen carefully, the Shadows talk to Morden..that’s what is being picked up by the microphones in the holding cell. I assume the Shadows are part escort part protection. I believe in one previous instance, Kosh runs into Morden and says “leave, they are not for you”. Later there is a scene where Ivannof comments that Kosh asked for some parts to repair his encounter suit. 🙂

        I don’t think the Shadows need to do any real spying. The MOD is to get folks to willingly obey for power, control, etc.Report

      • Avatar Dman in reply to KatherineMW says:

        The thing is, they are going slow this time, so why now use that time for spying? Wouldn’t that also let them increase in power by knowing what the enemy is doing?Report

  5. Avatar KatherineMW says:

    One more comment – for all the criticism that the special effects in B5 get, I think the Shadows and their ships look incredibly cool. (As do the Minbari ships.)Report

  6. Avatar Jaybird says:

    The Minbari and the Vorlon seem to have a vaguely established relationship… or am I reading too much into how maybe it’s just DeLenn who has a better-than-average relationship with Kosh?

    If it’s the former, lemme tell ya, the rest of the Minbar are being really obtuse. If it’s the latter, lemme tell ya, the rest of the Minbar are being really, really, *REALLY* obtuse.Report

    • Avatar Dman in reply to Jaybird says:

      “The Minbari and the Vorlon seem to have a vaguely established relationship… or am I reading too much into how maybe it’s just DeLenn who has a better-than-average relationship with Kosh?”

      I always figured it was the other way around, Kosh having a better than average relationship with Delenn. I think Kosh is the exception. Think back to Jack. Does that seem like a nice, relationship friendly set of beings named, Vorlons?Report

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