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Tod Kelly

Tod is a writer from the Pacific Northwest. He is also serves as Executive Producer and host of both the 7 Deadly Sins Show at Portland's historic Mission Theatre and 7DS: Pants On Fire! at the White Eagle Hotel & Saloon. He is  a regular inactive for Marie Claire International and the Daily Beast, and is currently writing a book on the sudden rise of exorcisms in the United States. Follow him on Twitter.

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  1. Avatar Glyph says:

    For a Red Ryder carbine-action, two-hundred-shot Range Model air rifle with a compass in the stock and this thing which tells time, I would have sold my soul to Satan himself.Report

  2. Avatar Burt Likko says:

    Seems that anyone who wants the freedom to follow their own conscience about matters of faith ought to be upset at Samaritan’s Purse. But then again, evangelizing to small children is hardly anything new, and neither is using bribery to get kids to say or do things that please adults.Report

    • Avatar Jaybird says:

      There is a sub-strain of belief that holds that if the child becomes a Christian, the child will never, ever cease to be a Christian with regards to the whole “Heaven vs. Hell” eventuality even if the moment is forgotten before suppertime and the kid goes on to live to be 103 with a life filled with wanton debauchery.

      As such, that moment in which the child becomes a Christian is very, very important.

      Of course, one’s opinion of the deity probably isn’t that high if one believes that when you really sit down and think about it but, hey. It’s not about sitting down and thinking about it.Report

      • Avatar NewDealer says:

        Have their been controversies when evangelicals have tried to convert children on non-Chrisitians behind the backs of said non-Christian parents?Report

      • Avatar Jaybird says:

        I can think of a handful off the top of my head, which tells me that there are likely to be dozens.Report

      • Avatar North says:

        I know there was a lot of controversy about Mormons baptising dead famous non-mormons. As i recall they did a lot of baptising of Jewsish holocaust victims as well.Report

      • Avatar Jaybird says:

        Doing stuff to dead people’s names strikes me as significantly less troublesome.

        It’s like when you’re LARPing in the woods and someone throws a nerf dart at you and yells “lightning bolt”, except they’re yelling “salvation” and there’s no nerf dart and you aren’t there and instead of being in the woods, they’re alone in a basement.Report

      • Avatar Fish says:

        What kind of saving throw would my character need to make against Salvation? Rods/Staffs/Wands? Paralyze/Poison/Death Magic? Breath Weapon?Report

      • Avatar Jaybird says:

        I admit to being unfamiliar with the game system in question.

        They claim 100% success but, hey. They would.Report

  3. Avatar Kazzy says:

    Most recently on the thread about the Duck Dynasty dude but often permeating conversations about “bigotry” is the idea that not all things that don’t fall over themselves with love for something qualify is an -ism or a -phobia or bigotry.

    I think the same holds true for the WoC. I actively resist the playing of Christmas music in my classroom. For some, this brands me as a warrior in the WoC. But the reality is I hate Christmas music not because of the “Christmas” part but because of the “music” part. Almost every Christmas song is godawful to listen to. The few that aren’t soon become so by the fifth listen of the day. I don’t like Michael Buble no matter what he sings. I resist playing any shitty music in my classroom, but the only type of shitty music people insist on playing is Christmas music. So when I actively resist the Christmas music, I’m branded “one of them”.

    Oh… and some people are bothered that I wished a Jewish family Happy Hanukkah. Apparently I’m supposed to wish them Merry Christmas.Report

    • Avatar Stillwater says:

      Oh… and some people are bothered that I wished a Jewish family Happy Hanukkah. Apparently I’m supposed to wish them Merry Christmas.

      If your not one of Us, your one of Them. It’s a crystal clear calculus devoid of the subtlety that *all* truly great belief-systems embody.Report

    • Avatar Mike Schilling says:

      You’re not supposed to encourage them in being not-Christians.Report

  4. Avatar Rod says:

    Thank-you, Tod, for another bit of reportage complete with research and everything. Too bad Fox doesn’t know how to do that.

    As an atheist I find public displays annoying but as long as public funds aren’t being used I don’t get too upset. Here, the town puts decorations on the light poles. There’s maybe a half dozen different ones in rotation and aside from the angel they’re all pretty generic holiday themed. No big deal.

    I get really tired of being accused of being a grinch by proxy.Report

    • Avatar Michael Cain says:

      Too bad Fox doesn’t know how to do that.

      I’m a bit more generous. Fox may or may not know how to do it. Fox may know how to do it, and use it as a starting point. But the Fox business plan dictates that that’s not what they’ll present to their audience — aired stories have to fit a particular slant in order to attract a particular audience. The end of the Glenn Beck show seems to suggest that they’re not willing to go beyond a certain point.Report

      • Avatar Rod says:

        IOW, finely crafted and carefully tuned bullshit. At least the newsbabes are easy on the eyes while they lie to you.Report

      • Avatar Mike Schilling says:

        The end of the Glenn Beck show seems to suggest that they’re not willing to go beyond a certain point.

        By “they”, do you mean the audience? Fox had no problem with Beck so long as his ratings were decent.Report

  5. Avatar North says:

    Thanks for the extra info my Tod.Report