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Jonathan McLeod

Jonathan McLeod is a writer living in Ottawa, Ontario. (That means Canada.) He spends too much time following local politics and writing about zoning issues. Follow him on Twitter.

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  1. Avatar Kazzy
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    Stories like this make me want put my head down on my desk, close my eyes, and hope that when I open them, I am a member of a profession that doesn’t embarrass itself in ways that run completely counter to our duties and obligations.Report

  2. Avatar Mike Schilling
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    Fortunately, “I’m going to tell Wellesley that you can think for yourself and recognize BS when you come across it” is a pretty toothless threat.Report

  3. Avatar RTod
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    My favorite part was the bit where the principal thought telling Wesley that the student was some kind of uppity feminist would be a threat.

    It’s according to the student and unconfirmed, but it’s so space awesome I really hope it’s true.Report

  4. Avatar Kitty
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    No one is ever going to call this young woman an admissions office mistake.Report

  5. Avatar North
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    And the clowns just keep coming.Report

  6. Avatar Damon
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    If Campbell had the balls to to speak up and contact the ACLU why didn’t she have the balls to respond to Principal George Aulenbacher’s question with a response like this: “How would you like it if FIRE and the ACLU and I all sue your ass?”Report

  7. Avatar NewDealer
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    Of course, Wellesly is supporting their probable incoming student. Wellesly is a liberal and sensible campus. What did the principal expect? He sounds like he knows nothing beyond his front porch and that everyone agrees with him.Report

  8. Avatar Russell Saunders
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    Well, at least abstinence-only sex education works well. Oh, wait…Report

  9. Avatar KatherineMW
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    This is completely and utterly out of line. While I am not at all opposed to encouraging young people to wait until marriage, trying to damage someone’s educational prospects because they disagree with your policies is completely wrong. (However, given the views of most university campuses, this would be more likely to help the young woman gain admission than harm her.)Report

    • Avatar Jonathan McLeod in reply to KatherineMW
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      I’m with you like 95%. But, naturally, I’m going to pick a nit. I think it is waaaaaaay out of line for a public high school to encourage kids to wait until they’re married. Teach them that abstinence is the best protection against pregnancy and STIs? Sure, but if either of my daughters (when they’re much older) decide to have a sexual relationship outside of marriage, I’m not going to automatically assume they’re doing something they shouldn’t be.Report

      • Avatar Kazzy in reply to Jonathan McLeod
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        I’d say to teach them the pros and cons, benefits and drawbacks of a variety of approaches to sexual relationships. Ground this in science… true abstinence reduces the risk of pregnancy or STDs to zero… condoms does this… birth control does that. Here are the risks of non-vaginal sex.

        If there is good science regarding the emotional outcomes, I’d be okay with citing this, so long as the proper context is given. “Some studies show…”Report

        • Avatar Brandon Berg in reply to Kazzy
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          Some studies show…

          Eh…there’s a lot of wiggle room in there.Report

          • Avatar Kazzy in reply to Brandon Berg
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            THAT’S WHAT SHE SAID! HA!!!

            More seriously, what I mean is that if there are peer reviewed, scientifically sound studies that demonstrate that, say, couples that wait X years to have sex tend to have Y outcomes… you can tell that to students.

            But you can’t tell them that a man in the sky will burn their eternal soul if they don’t slam their penis in a desk drawer every night.Report

      • Avatar Will Truman in reply to Jonathan McLeod
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        Me neither, but I am hoping way after 14 or 15. Is there a substantive difference between my position and theirs? Or is it just a matter of different benchmarks? Seems that we all draw the line at “doing something they shouldn’t be” somewhere, no? So, in sex ed and government schools, where does that leave us? Ideally, I guess, with a mostly technical education not rooted in morality or psychology much at all. Is that possible? Would anybody be satisfied with that?Report

        • Avatar Tod Kelly in reply to Will Truman
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          “Is there a substantive difference between my position and theirs?”

          Their position that abstinence is good, or their position that women who don’t practice it are impure and hated by their mothers, or their position that you cannot have sex outside of marriage without contracting an STD?

          Because I think a lot of the objections about their mandatory class dealt with things very, very different than abstinence.Report

        • Avatar Kazzy in reply to Will Truman
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          “Ideally, I guess, with a mostly technical education not rooted in morality or psychology much at all.”

          This is what I was trying to get at with my comment. Morality would be hard, since I think the fact that there is so much disagreement about most areas of sexual morality is ultimately evidence that it is a deeply personal issue. But I do think you could explore the psychology and other related angles, provided you are backing up your teachings in sound science. For instance, if teenage sex is correlated with, say, depression, I think you can explain that to students. Now, you’d want to be careful about causation and correlation and all that… you can’t turn it into, “PRE-MARITAL SEX MAKES YOUR HEART MELT AND YOUR BRAIN GO CRAZY!”, but you can point to the link and explore it.Report

          • Avatar Will Truman in reply to Kazzy
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            But what if it does make your heart melt and your brain go crazy?!

            More seriously, I think it’s really hard to pull off. Not the least of which because liberals (and myself, for that matter) don’t want young people to be uncomfortable with their sexuality. While there are very stringent limits to how I would want this to manifest itself, it would nonetheless be a lot more than folks to our right would be comfortable with. Which makes this a political battlefield.

            But on the subject, studies have suggested that there is a correlation between the age at which a young woman becomes sexually active, and the number of partners she has, and the probability of later divorce. This correlation does not apply to young men. Is mentioning this a form of moralizing (even if you don’t moralize about divorce being bad)? If the reasoning for this is lingering sexism, would mentioning this be perpetuating that sexism? How should the possibility of confounding factors be framed?

            And then, the kids will ask questions…

            This is not to advocate any particular approach (and I don’t really want to sidetracked into a discussion about the possible flaws in the results – we will often see flaws, or not see flaws, according to our ideology). I just find the notion of stripping worldview from this discussion, even the bland sort of discussion that would only occur at a government education institution, to be kind of hard.Report

    • Avatar dhex in reply to Kolohe
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      maybe school administrators just really like paying into kids’ college funds these days? the ny post school of, uh, schooling.Report

    • Avatar Kazzy in reply to Kolohe
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      Ya know, I understand that schools have some unique powers when it comes to regulating dress and, by extension, speech. And I understand that there exist circumstances when their obligations as educators and as the keepers of their charges during the school day must do so. But when weighed against the costs, including sending the message that power is not balanced by responsibility, I think it should be used only in the most extreme of situations.

      This, and most other such stories, is not that.Report

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