Monday Morning Jukebox: On The Grammys and Timbaland
The Grammys happened. No sense discussing it though, given that they almost certainly rewarded the wrong people. It’s what the Grammys is famous for. Here, in fact, is a just-the-tip-of-the-iceberg discussion of horrendous decisions made by the good people at Grammys. The name that popped out most at me was Timbaland‘s, both because he didn’t win a Grammy until teaming up with Justin Timberlake in 2007 and BECAUSE HE DIDN’T WIN A GRAMMY UNTIL TEAMING UP WITH JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE IN 2007?!?!
I get it if Timbaland’s not your thing. I get it if you’ve got objections – potentially serious ones – to his somewhat troubling history of lifting music without bothering to credit their creators.
That said, he’s been responsible for some of the downright hottest songs I’ve ever heard. And because today’s Monday and Mondays are awful, would it really be so bad if we explored a murderers row of Timbaland’s best work?
1. Missy Elliott’s “The Rain [Supa Dupa Fly]”
Again, I get it if Timbaland’s not your thing, but this is one of those songs that I remember hearing for the first time. I then remember talking with my friends at the time to ask if they’d heard the same thing, our consensus being that what was happening here was an entirely unfamiliar sound. That’s an enthralling feeling no matter when it occurs. The Grammys ignored this.
2. Ginuwine’s “Pony”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVMKQP0K3a0
I have heard word that there are some ladies who might find this video appealing. For those that do, enjoy. But just listen. You can ignore the lyrics – it’s odd that Ginuwine’s so encouraging of those with an interest in the equestrian arts, right? – while still hearing something that sounds so utterly strange and yet, so utterly perfect. We’re only two songs deep. I hope it is painfully clear that I’m an enormous fanboy. The Grammys ignored this.
3. Jay Z’s “Big Pimpin'”
I think it’s fun trying to figure out how the scenario in which Timbaland first heard the song he “borrowed” from when he put this track together. I’ve never come to a satisfactory conclusion, but maybe that’s because I’ve never actually wanted to know. (Also, as a sidenote, Bun B’s “Go read a book you illiterate son of a bitch, and step up your vocab” is hilarious. I’d like to invoke that exact quote over at The Corner, not because it’d be appropriate, but just to see the eyeballs melt out of the angry skulls.) The Grammys ignored this.
4. Aaliyah’s “Try Again”
Again, the issue is the hotness here. Each of these songs has a distinctively different song than what was predominantly considered either R/B or hip-hop. Timbaland’s work took genre’s and redirected their sound. Honorable mention goes to Aaliyah’s “One In A Million.” The Grammys ignored this.
5. Missy Elliot’s “Sock It To Me”
If you want to hold anything against Timbaland, it ought to be the time he let Da Brat sneak onto this otherwise perfect track. She poison pills the entire thing. But right up until the point that she carpetbombs the place, this song is throbbing. And yes, I hear you giggling. Please note the Mega Man video. The Grammys ignored this.
6. Timbaland and Magoo “People Like Myself”
This wasn’t a hit. I’m not sure anybody, anywhere ever heard it. Timbaland’s decision to release albums with the execrable Magoo is unforgivable; that said, I’m not sure I’ve ever found any beat as entrancing as I find the one in this song. It is outrageous in the best possible way. The only thing I can ever think of when I hear it is softly falling snow. Don’t ask me to explain that one. I can’t. The Grammys ignored this.
7. Missy Elliott’s “Gossip Folks”
Seriously though. Seriously. Forget Missy’s attempt to address her critics. For Ludacris’s “ten-and-a-half gators.” It’s that repetitive thump that never stops sounding great, simple though it might be. I remember everybody being enthralled with the song at the time; it doesn’t sound any worse ten years later. The Grammys ignored this.
8. Aaliyah “Up Jumps Da Boogie”
Magoo’s appearance here notwithstanding my earlier critique, it’s the song’s relatively simple music that gets me, to the point that I’m able to ignore some of the song’s remarkably offensive lyrics. The Grammys ignored this.
9. Jay-Z’s “Dirt Off Your Shoulder”
My liberal politics are showing I suppose. I could listen to these tracks without the MCs if I had to, even though I don’t. But it’s certainly saying something when listening to tracks sans lyrics is an appealing possibility.
10. Justin Timberlake’s “Cry Me A River”
I’m a 32-year-old man, happily married, happily the father of two kind of occasionally okay kids. I’m still man enough to admit that I passionately love this dis track, a song publicly telling Britney Spears to kiss off. Whether or not that drama warranted the attention, the song it produced almost certainly did.
And here’s the thing. Even if you disagree with me about all of these songs, surely, you’re not going to argue that Justin Timberlake’s “
Man, your pop sensibility is way, way beyond mine. With the exception of two of the Missy Elliot songs, I didn’t remember any of these until I listened to a bit of them here, and I still don’t find any of them interesting (and I like Jay-Z OK, but I prefer his songs produced by Kanye, like this one, or Pharrell, or Rick Rubin). Also, I prefer S1 as a producer generally (e.g., this, which is friggin’ awesome). I don’t think he’s ever going to win a Grammy. Missy Elliot is awesome, though.
Anyway, my favorite comment on the Grammy’s was a Tweet from Spin Magazine, which read in full:
Congratulations Frank Ocean on winning Album of the Year (We are in denial and refuse to believe Mumford is happening).
I admit that I’m not really a Frank Ocean fan, though my girlfriend thinks he’s the second coming of Prince (and she is a huge Prince fan), but listening to Channel Orange I can appreciate why people think he is or is going to be very good. But Mumford and Sons? Honestly, if they didn’t have a banjo in their songs, would anyone think they were interesting at all? To me they’re boring, and their music makes me want to take a nap.Report
The Grammys consistently rewards bands who are “boring, and their music makes me want to take a nap” so I don’t see anything inconsistent with them then rewarding Mumford and Sons.Report
Heh… I wonder why Iron and Wine haven’t cleaned up at the Grammys, then.Report
Give the Grammys Lifetime Achievement Committee time. Iron and Wine will get something soon.Report
I think I was one of those drunk a-holes who talk really loud at an Iron & Wine show once. I normally hate that. But it was just…so…boring.
When there were a lot of those beardy folky I & W – type things going on, a female friend asked me why I didn’t like it.
I said, I was too young to be listening to beardy folky stuff just yet.
She said, but you’re [age that was not that young].
I said, with any luck, I would ALWAYS be too young for beardy folky stuff.Report
“Excuse me, could you wake up your boyfriend? He’s snoring over the music.”Report
But I love Nick Drake. Go figure.Report
I love Nick Drake too. And Donovan, who’s similar. Hell, I’m not averse to Elliot Smith. But there’s something about this recent trend of almost whispery folk rock, a trend that includes Mumford and Sons, Iron and Wine, Bon Iver, Fleet Foxes, and the aptly named The Low Anthem that just bores the piss out of me.
I think they all have Black Cab Sessions. I actually like Fleet Foxes there. Seems like just about the right venue for them (we could scale it up to a coffee house). I like this one, in a similar vein, too.Report
Glyph, at an I & W show? Among all those earnest, flannel-clad people? Whoda thunk?Report
This was a while back, maybe in ’02 or ’03? My friends wanted to go. I thought I should give it a chance; I don’t hate all quiet music, as I mentioned I like Nick Drake, and Low (and I saw Ida a few times back in the day, they are very folky, with harmonies) .
But I was bored and I drank too much and made an ass of myself. It was a small club, and it had no patio or separate area from the bar/stage, which is where I would normally have gone if I just wanted to have a drink and chat. I was basically that guy that I usually complain about.
I wouldn’t go so far as to say I was heckling, exactly (a friend of mine got drunk and did that once when we saw Jega – and at the time, he LOVED Jega), but I was being a loud jerk.
I do better at a rock show, where at least if I am a loud drunk jerk, I am not the only one.Report
I can’t see you being a jerk. Put it this way, everyone went back and found Nick Drake after they discovered Elliot Smith. Nick Drake was the Emily Dickinson of rock, everyone can quote a few lines, even now. But she was an intensely private person whose fame only emerged posthumously.Report
I somehow missed Elliot Smith (though my wife was into him). I don’t think I could name a single song.
In the 80’s bands that I was into would always talk Drake up (REM, The Cure, and Dream Academy – supposedly “Life In A Northern Town” is inspired by Drake).
There’s a Lloyd Cole song (who is great, BTW) where he name-checks Drake’s “Five Leaves Left”, while poking fun at himself, and the kind of person who listens to it and thinks themselves deep:
Smile, she said, and if you want I’ll look the other way
Until you regain your melancholy disposition
Or until you get over yourself.
You’re such a European SOB, could you exist without your irony ?
I guess that you’re afraid to alone or be alive
Or be a boy without a girl.
Monday morning, feeling alright
What’s wrong with this picture ?
Nothing at all.
Open your eyes, there’s nothing but blue skies
What’s wrong with this picture ?
Nothing at all.
Could you believe in anything ? Could I believe in you ? she said
And maybe I don’t want to be your mother
And could you bear to be sincere for just one day ?
Smile, she said, and if you want I’ll look the other way
And you can go back to your Five Leaves Left
And you can call me when you get over yourself.
Monday morning, feeling alright
What’s wrong with this picture ?
Nothing at all.
Open your eyes, there’s nothing but blue skies
What’s wrong with this picture ?
Nothing at all.
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Sweet post Sam!
My knowledge of hip hop and modern r&b is not all that great, but I agree that for a while there, if you heard a beat on the radio and it didn’t sound like anyone else’s, you knew it was Timbaland. That was pretty futuristic stuff for pop radio.
I agree that many of his tracks would work just fine sans vocals (but I think all the best hip-hop producers are that way – it’s a producer-driven genre, a nation of Phil Spectors.). I’ve heard the plagiarism stuff and it does seem pretty blatant – but in hip-hop, well….. (not to mention legal issues make crediting samples/beats, or using recognizable ones, prohibitively expensive).
I pay no attention to the Grammys – do they often ignore the producers in favor of the rappers? Like, I think RZA has won Grammys, but when The Automator was on his streak did he ever win? What about The Dust Brothers, or Prince Paul, or The Bomb Squad?
Do the Grammys just not understand how hip-hop/ dance music is made?
“Again, the issue is the hotness here. “. – the production, or the girl? 😉Report
Fear of a Black Planet, produced by The Bomb Squad, was nominated for a Grammy, but didn’t win.Report
Predictably, I think the Grammys can generally be counted on to completely ignore the new, the interesting, and the genuinely innovative.
Dan The Automator never won (which is criminal) and I don’t think Prince Paul did either.Report
Looks like Prince Paul-produced albums have won Grammys. Also, I’m pretty sure that Gorillaz’ first album was nominated, or a song from it was, and Dan the Automator produced that (didn’t he?).Report
Yeah, he did.
From wiki, this was the streak:
Dr. Octagonecologyst (Dr. Octagon) (1996)
When I Was Born for the 7th Time (Cornershop) (1997)
Bombay the Hard Way: Guns, Cars and Sitars (with DJ Shadow) (1998)
So… How’s Your Girl? (Handsome Boy Modeling School) (1999)
Deltron 3030 (with Del tha Funkee Homosapien and Kid Koala) (2000)
A Much Better Tomorrow (2000) (This is the only one of these I don’t have)
Gorillaz (2001)
Supposedly there’s a Deltron II in the works, but I admit I’ve kinda lost track of him.Report
A couple of things:
1. Where are you guys finding this slew of nominations for Dan the Automator? My Google skills must be utter shit.
2. I saw Dan the Automator, Del the Funkee Homosapien, and Kid Koala perform Deltron 3030 in Boston almost immediately after it came out. That was one of the great concerts of my life.Report
Sorry, I didn’t mean he had nominations (I have no idea if he did, that was why I asked). I just meant that was the streak where he could do no wrong. All those albums are great, or at minimum interesting/fun.
Leaving aside the one I never heard (A Much Better Tomorrow) that’s (at least) 5 good-to-great records in 5 years. That is a great run for any artist.
And those are just full-lengths, I’m sure there’s probably singles/EPs/collaborations in that timeframe too.Report
Glyph,
Oh. Thank God. I was thinking I’d gone insane. A Much Better Tomorrow is okay. What you’re missing though is Lovage: Music To Make Love To Your Old Lady By an album that is close to perfect and yet almost entirely unknown. It’s on Spotify (and other services too probably). It’s incredible. Amongst a great collection of incredible accomplishments, I might rate it my favorite of all of Dan’s work.Report
I mean, seriously, “Strangers On A Train” and “Stroker Ace” are amongst my favorite songs ever.Report
Er…yeah. I didn’t care for that one too much, actually. “Real Thing” and “Angel Dust” aside, Mike Patton is always an iffy proposition for me. I’ll dig around and see if I still have it and give it another spin, but I think that one got caught in one of the purges.Report
“Clint Eastwood” was nominated for a Grammy, and he produced it. That’s the only thing he produced that’s been nominated, that I can find.Report
Sam- this sounds interesting and like it might be up yr alley. I’ve blown my record allowance for the month, unfortunately:
http://www.avclub.com/articles/remembering-when-country-music-wasnt-white-conserv,92377/Report