Too Steep A Path


Burt Likko

Pseudonymous Portlander. Homebrewer. Atheist. Recovering Republican. Recovering Catholic. Recovering divorcé. Editor-in-Chief Emeritus of Ordinary Times. Relapsed Lawyer, admitted to practice law (under his real name) in California and Oregon. On Twitter, to his frequent regret, at @burtlikko. House Likko's Words: Scite Verum. Colite Iusticia. Vivere Con Gaudium.

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  1. Avatar Patrick Cahalan says:

    It’s kind of hard to ask people to pay a penalty when they already feel like they’ve been putting monthly payments down on a different penalty.

    Incentive-wise, that usually doesn’t work. At all.Report

  2. Avatar Dan Miller says:

    I agree that this is unlikely to be the most effective, or even the 5th-most-effective, plan. But I see little hope of getting anything better, and I think this is better than the status quo, so I’m willing to take it and have another bite at the apple later.Report

  3. Avatar Jaybird says:

    Schumer was on NPR this morning and he pointed out why this was finally going to be fixed:

    It’s more politically dangerous to oppose it than to support it.Report

    • Avatar Patrick Cahalan in reply to Jaybird says:

      That doesn’t mean it’s going to be fixed.

      That just means that you need to be presenting the appearance of trying to fix it.Report

      • Heh. Touche’.

        I don’t know that more laws will fix immigration problems anywhere near as much as getting rid of laws would do so (Ellis Island, baby!) but I do think that reconciliation to “amnesty” will do a lot better result-wise for not only Mexican immigrants but immigrants from all of the other countries in the world (who we *ALSO* want coming here in droves).Report

        • Avatar Damon in reply to Jaybird says:

          Everything is Political.

          Politicians have seen the Hispanics as a voting block force now. It’s time to use them for their own ends.

          Will it end up doing anything? Probably not, the status quo still works for both sides of the isle. Too bad too, because REAL immigration reform would be good. You never see a dialogue about what types of folks america wants to receive. I’d say the folks we want to come to america are well educated folks, rich folks, folks with means and drive to start new companies, to do research, etc., regarless of race.Report

          • Avatar Burt Likko in reply to Damon says:

            I agree that we need people like that. Even if we don’t need them, we want them.

            We also need manual labor. Someone has to pick heads of lettuce. Someone has to clean up the office at night. There is demand for that kind of labor and employers have difficulty filling it.Report

            • Avatar M.A. in reply to Burt Likko says:

              There is demand for that kind of labor and employers have difficulty filling it when they are offering crap wages and abusive treatment.

              Fixed that for you.

              Offer people better wages, and those jobs would get filled. Make sure those jobs had reasonable treatment (the number of people I’ve seen sneer and look down on fast food workers, janitorial staff, and other professions considered “menial”) and that the people were treated with respect, and more people would be likely to do it.

              The happiest janitorial staff I’ve ever met were at a hotel chain where I knew the night manager. It was also, uncoincidentally, one of the best maintained hotels with least amount of customer complaints about dirty rooms or other janitorial-type issues. The secret? The night manager knew his staff and treated them very well and more to the point, with dignity.

              The rudeness of society, the way the CEO level treats everyone lower than management level like dirt throughout the USA, that contributes to a whole host of problems.Report

              • Avatar Burt Likko in reply to M.A. says:

                Low pay, no benefits, crappy working conditions? Fair points indeed!

                I suppose the proper attitude about whether better compensation would attract more workers from within the country is… we’ve never really tried it, at least not for a generation, so we don’t know if it would work or not, either in terms of attracting people to do the job or what effect it would have on the price to consumers.Report

              • Avatar Mike Schilling in reply to Burt Likko says:

                Low pay, no benefits, crappy working conditions?

                The bad news is that this is what illegals face. The good news is that more and more that doesn’t make them unique.Report

  4. Avatar Jim Heffman says:

    A quick path to legal citizenship is the best way to stop illegal immigration. Because we hear a lot about “jobs Americans won’t do”, but you dig down and learn that the job Americans won’t do is spend ten hours in the sun, bending at the waist and twisting your wrists, with no water, no break, no hat, and no bathroom, getting paid ten bucks for each basket you fill with what the supervisor thinks is “good quality” produce.

    It’s not like there are millions of jobs in ag work. The “jobs” currently being done are not supposed to exist. If there weren’t illegal immigrants to do them, they’d be done by machines–and that’s exactly what will happen.Report

  5. Avatar M.A. says:

    I simply find it delicious that the same bizarre people who are constantly trying to force creationism into schools are today talking about how their party position is (or needs to) “evolve” regarding immigration.Report