A cultural problem…

Nob Akimoto

Nob Akimoto

Nob Akimoto is a policy analyst and part-time dungeon master. When not talking endlessly about matters of public policy, he is a dungeon master on the NWN World of Avlis

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  1. Avatar Kazzy says:

    Reading up on Prop 30, this aspect of the bill seems pretty ridiculous to me, at least at first glance:

    “If this proposition is passed in November, 2012, the income tax will apply retroactively to all income earned or received since the first of the year (1 January, 2012).”Report

  2. Avatar Tod Kelly says:

    I was not aware of Prop 30. Is it an initiative that legislatively requires you to be a dick?Report

    • Avatar James Hanley says:

      Since it raised sales taxes only a quarter percentage point, maybe the guy should have at least tipped 14.75%?Report

      • Avatar Kazzy says:

        It also raised income taxes in several brackets over $250K.Report

        • Avatar James Hanley says:

          Affecting my income just enough so that I can still go out to eat, I just can’t afford to tip the waitstaff. That is one fine-tuned fiscal package!Report

          • Avatar mark boggs says:

            Well if that wait staff person would go get a job so that this guy who was able to print nice little “fish you” cards to hand to wait staff people who really just need to go get jobs so he doesn’t have to continue to pay for all these lazy wait staff people who should really just go get jobs…oh, wait.Report

  3. Avatar Thoreau says:

    Do you know the person who got the note? The imgur link said “Friend got this” but I don’t know if it’s your friend or if you found this online.

    Something about it seems almost too perfect, which makes me wonder if it’s real. I know that obnoxious assholes are real, but still, this seems just a bit too perfect. I mean, somebody had to print that in advance, rather than just showing up and writing out a nasty note.Report

    • Nob Akimoto Nob Akimoto says:

      I admit, I’m skeptical from the imgur link. But real or not, it does seem to reflect a certain mindset among a class of people who complain loudly about marginal income tax increases.Report

    • Avatar Tod Kelly says:


      I have to say that there is a certain breed of asshole, the No Tipping Asshole, that does not belong to any particular political party. No Tipping Asshole always – always – finds a reason to announcing to everyone why they are self-righteously not tipping.Report

    • Avatar M.A. says:

      I was emailed a printable PDF of that by a right wing friend recently. It’s a traveling right wing meme, they run it off on their work printers and clip a few to piss off waitstaff and generally be assholes.Report

      • Nob Akimoto Nob Akimoto says:

        Would you be willing to share the pdf with us?Report

        • Avatar Glyph says:

          For the PDF to exist, the “right wing friend” would also need to exist.

          For some reason – I can’t quite put my finger on it – I am skeptical that M.A. has any right-wing friends.Report

          • Avatar NewDealer says:

            I’m not so sure about that.

            His language is strident but this is also a blog of people he will never meet. He could be a lot more civil in real life, most of us are.Report

            • Avatar Glyph says:

              You’re probably right. As a matter of fact, after I posted this I sort of regretted it, even though it’s a pretty gentle poke compared to the often-wild swinging to which I was alluding. He’s obviously a smart guy (gal? don’t actually know), and passionate, and a good writer/communicator; I just wish some of the recurring seemingly-compulsive tics about evil conservatives and libertarians (seriously, did a libertarian kill his father? Should I prepare to die?) could get toned down.Report

      • Avatar Thoreau says:

        Is there any .pdf that isn’t printable?Report

        • Avatar Patrick Cahalan says:


          You can create PDF files that can’t be printed. Well, by “can’t”, I mean “Can’t be printed from inside Acrobat, or a PDF reader that can read write-protected PDF files.

          You could just put your monitor into portrait, fill the screen with it, and printscreen.Report

  4. Avatar greginak says:

    I can easily see why people didn’t like Prop 30. I can understand arguments against raising tax rates on the rich even though i disagree. But if you are going to go to the trouble of printing up cards to give in lieu of tipping people who very likely make a fairly meagre living and far less then you do, so you can express your view at people who don’t have much of anything to do with the views you don’t like then i have to wonder, when did The Jerk Store start serving food?Report

    • Avatar Kazzy says:


      OT, but how is Alaska doing in the wake of the recent quake?Report

      • Avatar greginak says:

        Kazzy. Little or no damage. No tsunami. It was a big quake with a bunch of aftershocks. It was a few hundred miles away from us so we didn’t even know about. I checked the local news for info. Sounds like it was scary for the people in the small towns near the quake.Report

    • Avatar Troublesome Frog says:

      I’d throw ice cold buckets of water on the homless to protest any tax increases that might benefit the poor, but some of them look like they could seriously beat the tar out of me. I’m glad that these cards give me a way to do real harm to those less fortunate without acutally risking my physical person.

      Hooray for the Internet!Report

  5. Avatar Burt Likko says:

    This is a big ol’ dick move.

    Passive-aggressive, too.

    Stay classy, conservatives.Report

    • Avatar James Hanley says:

      Off-topic, Burt, but I’ve been meaning to ask you, do you know the restaurant Le Chene on Sierra Highway?Report

      • Avatar Mike Schilling says:

        Why, is there a waiter there you’d particularly like to stiff?Report

      • Avatar Burt Likko says:

        I am. Le Chêne is without question the best restaurant in northern Los Angeles County and IMO one of the better restaurants in the entire L.A. metro area (and graced with one of the county’s better wine lists to boot). A partner in my law firm was married there. Since I will be unable to afford both the time and the travel costs to take my wife to Paris for a special birthday coming up, I’ll take her to dinner there. She’ll have duck, I know this in advance. But everything on the menu is fantastic but I keep going back to the wild boar goulash. It’s where I learned that a puree of cauliflower works just as well and has fewer carbs than mashed potatoes, and that game meats could be better than traditional fare. Have you had the pleasure of dining there?Report

        • Avatar James Hanley says:

          I’ve been there twice. I particularly remember an incredible chicken with lobster sauce. Perhaps when we’re out there next summer I’ll get to go again.Report

          • Avatar Burt Likko says:

            Do let me know if that’s in the works. I might enjoy sharing a glass of grape juice with you, if you don’t mind.Report

            • Avatar James Hanley says:

              We’ll definitely be in Santa Clarita (aka Awesometown) next summer, probably late July/early August. A meetup would be nice.Report

    • Avatar Thoreau says:

      That doesn’t mean that this one was a hoax, but it ups the probability of it being a hoax.

      What gets me is that it shows little indication of being wrinkled or folded (except a possible diagonal fold). I can’t tell if the object next to it is a drink coaster or place mat, but either way this sign was bigger than you’d fit in a typical coat pocket. Maybe somebody had it in a laptop case or whatever, which is plausible at a business lunch. But I find it implausible at a social gathering.Report

  6. Avatar bearing says:

    The problem with generalizing from a photo like this is simple, and obvious if you take a moment to step back and look at it objectively:

    We do not know who printed out this note.

    Yes, it could have been a right-wing bad tipper who wished to justify his bad-tipping by blaming the proposition.

    It could also have been a left-wing bad tipper who wished to justify his bad-tipping by figuring he could at least get the waiter or waitress angry at his political enemies.

    It could also have been the waiter or waitress for his/her own reasons; perhaps to get attention and sympathy while at the same time casting aspersions against people he disagrees with politically.

    Finally, there might have been no waiter or waitress involved at all; that is to say, this is nothing but a photograph of a note on a table; maybe this wasn’t really left as a tip; maybe the photographer simply printed the note himself in order to disseminate a picture of it and create a public impression.

    We don’t know the facts.

    And going on and on about “yeah, but real or not, it does seem to reflect a certain mindset…” is nothing but self-justification of a fantasy: you’d like to believe that your enemies would do such a thing, so to see this makes you happy.Report

  7. Avatar Brandon Berg says:

    Maybe it’s real, maybe it’s not, but I’m skeptical that this is a distillation of a cultural problem. There’s no broader movement to exact retribution by proxy on waiters for the government’s cash grabs. It doesn’t even make sense unless you know that the specific waiter in question is a Democrat.

    Besides, waiters and retail workers may end up being hit hardest of all by Obama’s policies. Rumor has it that a lot of service-sector employers are planning to eliminate full-time positions to avoid Obamacare mandates.Report