Sailing Away to Irrelevance, Part III: Obama and the United Nations are Coming to Take Away Your Guns

Tod Kelly

Tod is a writer from the Pacific Northwest. He is also serves as Executive Producer and host of both the 7 Deadly Sins Show at Portland's historic Mission Theatre and 7DS: Pants On Fire! at the White Eagle Hotel & Saloon. He is  a regular inactive for Marie Claire International and the Daily Beast, and is currently writing a book on the sudden rise of exorcisms in the United States. Follow him on Twitter.

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  1. zic says:

    wow. talk about knocking it out of the park.

    I got an email, a constituent newsletter, from my Senator, Susan Collins yesterday. Benghazi all the way. Her money quote:

    As Ranking Member of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, Senator Collins raised serious concerns immediately following the attack. During a committee hearing on September 19th, Senator Collins told National Counterterrorism Center Director Matthew Olsen that she was convinced the incident was pre-planned.

    “The attack in Benghazi was not a black swan, but rather an attack that should have been anticipated based on previous attacks against western targets, the proliferation of dangerous weapons, the presence of al Qaeda in that country and the overall threat environment,” Collins said on September 19th. “I just don’t think that people come to protest equipped with RPGs (rocket propelled grenades) and other heavy weapons.”

    Heard her on NPR today, talking about how ‘puzzling’ the FBI investigation into Patreaus is. I don’t dig in to the right-wing propaganda machine much, I don’t have cable, so no FOX.

    She’s a senator. She carries responsibility for what she says; and what I hear is fuel for amping up the fires of conflict, not support of the President, the nation. Not cautious consideration and deliberation, but a knee-jerk reflex to blame the enemy within. I’m sure her message is being amplified throughout the GOP and it’s propaganda machines.

    We are the snake swallowing our own tail.Report

    • zic in reply to zic says:

      And I forgot to say: thank you for watching FOX so that I don’t have to. I’m grateful.Report

    • Tom Van Dyke in reply to zic says:

      Sen. Diane Feinstein [D-CA] too. It’s almost as though this Benghazi thing is news!

      “{Feinstein] said that she may subpoena a report on a recent trip to Libya. “I believe that Director Petraeus made a trip to the region shortly before this became public. I believe that there is a trip report” she said. “We have asked to see the trip report. One person tells me he’s read it, and then we try to get it and they tell me it hasn’t been done. That’s unacceptable.”

      Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine), the ranking member on the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, said Tuesday that it was “absolutely imperative” that Petraeus testify.”Report

      • Morat20 in reply to Tom Van Dyke says:

        I’m glad we have Tom around. Otherwise people might think Tod’s exaggerating about the Benhazi thing — “Sure, crazy people on the blogs believe it, but people believe the moon landings are fake!”.

        Well, Tom here nicely lays that aside.Report

  2. joey jo jo says:

    All part of various grifting activities that prey on scared conservatives.

    Perlstein did a great job chronicling the various scams here:

  3. MFarmer says:

    “The story that was reported was that President Obama was purposefully arming the cartels so that violence would escalate and Americans would be killed. Then, the story went, Americans would be so afraid of guns that they wouldn’t put up a fight when Obama came to take them.”

    You report that “conservative media” is reporting wild stuff, but you don’t provide any links.Report

    • Scott in reply to MFarmer says:

      Gee wasn’t there the proposal that the gov’t should limit gun sales at border states b/c of Mexican violence just before the F&F story broke and then the F&F story was ignored by the liberal press? Never waste a good crisis, right? Sadly Univision has done more reporting about F&F than most liberal American sources. Any bets on how long we will have to wait before Barry pushes for the AWB II?Report

  4. Mike Schilling says:

    ATT? Now I know they’re out to rule the world.Report

  5. Will H. says:

    I really don’t know much about these things, so I really have nothing to add.
    But then, someone just commented about Akin again (saw it on the sidebar), and it made me think that the big Akin gaffe was another example of erroneous information being circulated in purportedly respectable circles.
    King never took the hit that Akin did (to my knowledge).Report

  6. Damon says:

    I’m less concerened about the UN than I am Pelosi. There already have been several interviews with BOB and Pelosi where there is strong indication of their desire to bring the ASW ban back. They’ll probably want to “improve” it as well, so part of your title, I think, is correct. Perhaps “they WILL be comming” is more correct. 🙂Report

    • Patrick Bridges in reply to Damon says:

      And so if she and/or President Obama actually proposes bringing the ASW ban back, oppose it on its, you know, actual merits and problems. Part of the point that I think Tod is making is that this exactly what the conservative media doesn’t do – they’re so busy crying wolf on non-stories to keep people tuning in that if a real story actually comes around, no one is going to believe them.Report

      • Damon in reply to Patrick Bridges says:

        I agree with that part of his commentary. Of couse I also think that the left does this same thing.Report

        • greginak in reply to Damon says:

          And Pelosi with her majority in the house will be able to put in a new gun ban. Hmmm there is something wrong with that but i just can’t put my finger on it.Report

          • Damon in reply to greginak says:

            Perhaps you assume that the Repubs will never vote for something like this? I don’t, mainly becuase they did so the last time.


            “House Narrowly Approves Ban on Assault Weapons…..The legislation was supported by 177 Democrats, 38 Republicans and Rep. Bernard Sanders, I-Vt., and opposed by 137 Republicans and 77 Democrats. One unexpected supporter was retiring Minority Leader Robert H. Michel, R-Ill., a World War II infantryman who previously voted against another proposed ban on some assault weapons.”

            Who says you need a majority to get stuff done?Report

  7. Burt Likko says:

    By far the most interesting part of what Tod chronicles here is the reciprocating reinforcement process of the echo chamber. The basic story had been refuted from the get-go. By FOX News itself. But that didn’t stop other people both at FOX and elsewhere from picking up the downed football and running like Forrest Gump all the way out of the stadium with it.

    On the one hand there is the comfort of knowing that FOX News is not monolithic in its reportage, that different people there do come up with different conclusions. It’s not all decrees from Bullshit Mountain. But as we saw on election night there is great resistance to facts that have a liberal bias (e.g., “WTF? Are you sure Obama won Ohio? Really? Go take a camera crew to the stats guys and confirm that, Megan. That shit just can’t be right.”) so getting through those filters is apparently only accomplished with some difficulty.Report

    • Snarky McSnarksnark in reply to Burt Likko says:

      I just find it impossible to believe that you can keep the volume dialed up to eleven without eventually blowing out your speakers.

      Millions of low-to-medium- information voters currently believe that Obama is an anti-colonial, anti-American, muslim Manchurian Candidate, whose very core–and every decision–is aimed at undermining America, an punishing white people. That is is utterly incompetent, and incapable of formulating a coherent sentence if he is not reading it off of a teleprompter. That–despite four years as president–he is completely unqualified to hold the office.

      It’s working, in the sense that millions of people buy into all of these clearly fictional frames. But one cannot maintain a narrative of apocalypse and cultural collapse forever. The conservative movement represents a small fraction of the all of us. It certainly seems that we are nearing fin de cycle here when 85% of their political case is predicated on the complete fabrication of the “enemy.”

      I just read that, in Florida, senior trusted Romney / Ryan more by significant margins to protect Medicare. This understanding can only survive until they take power.Report

  8. DBrown says:

    Once more tVD is out there in left field; rather than address the topic of the crazies at fake news, tVD tries to divert the issue. Amazing – constant denial of reality seems to be a requirement by the right now-a-days.Report

    • Burt Likko in reply to DBrown says:

      Please note that Mr. Van Dyke was reacting to a comment raising the issue of l’affaire Petraeus and its handling in the Senate, which was initially made by zic. So if you’re going to argue that the attempted Petraeus-Benghazi link is not on point with the OP, go right ahead, but zic gets at least as much, if not more, blame for that diversion as TVD because she was the one who brought it up in the first place.

      I’m not sure it is a diversion, either — it may well turn out that the Petraeus-Benghazi thing parallels the ATT/FF/President-Obama-is-a-traitor thing that Tod wrote the OP about in which case there’s another instance of the conservative media trying to turn something innocuous into something sinister. Or it may turn out that indeed there was some sort of shenanigans going on, in which case perhaps FOX and the conservative media are doing actual journalism by critically pursuing the story.

      I wish there didn’t have to be so much empahsis on the identity of the disputants. But when I tried to do something about that, no one was happy with my efforts (including me) and it didn’t help anyway. So I gave up. But in my judgment what we see above is a valid thread all around. People are going to have different opinions on things, and different reactions to things. I kind of like that.

      Back when I had a solo blog, and at my sub-blog here, and with some of my initial front page posts here, I used to have fairly rigid and narrow interpretations about comments being narrowly on point with the subject of a post. After a while I realized that letting go and tolerating people using lots of latitutde produces better better discussions, better insights, and better results in the long run.Report

    • NewDealer in reply to DBrown says:

      I wonder if tVD minded being accused of being on the left?Report

  9. Kyle Cupp says:

    When my Fox-watching coreligionists label President Obama a socialist, I enjoy, for fun, quoting Pope Benedict XVI who wrote the following: “In many respects, democratic socialism was and is close to Catholic social doctrine and has in any case made a remarkable contribution to the formation of a social consciousness.” As a rule, I dislike arguments from authority, so I don’t mean to suggest my fellow Catholics ought to agree, but I do have fun citing the statement for the affect it has.Report

  10. Michelle says:

    When I was in San Diego a few weeks ago visiting my parents–who are avid Fox News viewers–they made the point, more than once, that Fox News covers stories that no other networks covered. I had to bite my tongue pretty hard to avoid saying “yeah, that’s because Fox make s**t up.” But we’d already had one nasty political argument, so I just kept my mouth shut.

    I’m glad you’re doing this series of articles, Tod. I’d like to think you might enlighten a few people out there about the dangers of relying on Fox for actual information.Report