By Request: How Much Did MON TIKI Cost vs How Much is MON TIKI Worth?

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David Ryan

David Ryan is a boat builder and USCG licensed master captain. He is the owner of Sailing Montauk and skipper of Montauk''s charter sailing catamaran MON TIKI You can follow him on Twitter @CaptDavidRyan

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  1. Avatar Jaybird
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    So I’ve been staring at that picture wondering how in the hell it happened AND how someone was there to take the picture.Report

  2. Avatar Citizen
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    Most days I assume insurance is the slow suicide of creativity.Report

    • Avatar Remo in reply to Citizen
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      In some sort of way.

      The problem is that you are betting that the guy you are insuring did not and will not do anything stupid, or be victim of some of nature’s excentricities.

      When he copies something that is known to work, and has worked for the last 50 years, the chances of him screwing up are much less than if he is trying something completely new.

      In other words: they know the Gold Coast CG 54 will not sink the first minute it is put on the water, and they know it will be able to steer away from those 30 boats parked, ready to get hit. They do not know that the Tiki will do either without a full analysis of the project and how well it was executed, and they are not willing to bet on it blindly.Report

  3. Avatar Will H.
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    Seeing the records for the lift makes sense to me.
    I’ve seen them set a number of tanks & vessels into place. I’ve seen a flare stack installed in sections. And I’ve talked to people who were there at the site when Big Blue went down in Milwaukee. I know of a number of crane accidents, and they are rather typical in that it’s usually a number of fatalities occurring at once.
    The records are kept according to a standard by a certifying authority. With that, and the cert of the operator, that’s really all they need, other than a lift plan (that would likely be an engineered lift on any of the sites I work on).
    The operator is really the responsible party in that.Report

    • Avatar David Ryan in reply to Will H.
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      Well yes, but no.

      Putting a boat on a Travel Lift is something akin to putting a car on a lift in a garage, and just as it’s not practical for garage to send a car owner’s insurance company proof that the lift is insured, it’s not really practical for a marina to sent proof of insurance to a boat owner’s insurance every time a boat gets hauled our launched.Report

      • Avatar Will H. in reply to David Ryan
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        Well, yes and no.

        First, the term “responsible party” in the last sentence of my previous comment should have been (more properly) “competent person.” (a different level of liability in this context)

        But it’s the same as any lift.
        The contractor is responsible.
        The competent person is someone designated by the contractor. That’s the one who says, “Let’s set it up right here.”
        The operator’s liability is in setting out the outriggers and the pads for them. If someone gets killed, there could be criminal liability in that. And they’re all to be certified through whatever that standard is by November of 2014.

        It’s more like driving a taxi than driving a private vehicle, in a way.

        But those aren’t the codes and standards that I go by.
        That’s just what I’ve seen, and what I’ve learned through JLG and scissor lift training, rigging and signalling training, various other safety classes, etc.

        Now, if you wanted to boil your boat, I could probably find some standards to go by.
        But lifts aren’t really my thing.Report

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