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Nob Akimoto

Nob Akimoto

Nob Akimoto is a policy analyst and part-time dungeon master. When not talking endlessly about matters of public policy, he is a dungeon master on the NWN World of Avlis

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14 Responses

  1. Avatar Pyre says:

    Unlikely to go anywhere. While reading this article as well as the article cited, I couldn’t help but think of what happened with Quebec in the 90s and where the sovereignty movement went.

    This is not to say it can’t happen but, much like a live-action Akira, I’ll believe it when I see it.Report

    • Avatar North in reply to Pyre says:

      Ah, but unlike Europe, Pyre, Quebec has no supra-national organization that Canada is already a part of that they could separate, remain part of and thus continue to remain connected to the rest of Canada. Quebec is different also in that they’re distinctly a receiver region in the Canadian economic scene. The French of Quebec have had significant Federal benefits and employment opportunities lavished on them by various Federal governments over the years. The reason the Separatists don’t disappear is that the people of Quebec would like this to continue. The reason the Separatists don’t do better is that not even the people of Quebec are delusional enough to think that they could separate from Canada but keep any of the perks they currently enjoy*.

      *And there’s the discomforting and inconvenient fact that the First Nations of Quebec have very firmly indicated they have no intention of being carried out of Confederation by the French and that they would be staying in Canada AND keeping their Northern 2/3rds of the Province of Quebec with them.Report

  2. Avatar Brandon Berg says:

    Why should Catalonia suffer for the follies of the Castilians?

    Best not think too much upon that question, lest you be led down a dark, dark path.Report

  3. Avatar Kolohe says:

    Stupid Flanders.Report

    • Avatar Glyph in reply to Kolohe says:

      National self-de-diddly-termination!Report

    • Avatar Kolohe in reply to Kolohe says:

      “After all, what makes Slovenia, Portugal, Luxembourg and Liechtenstein so much more deserving of national self-determination than Catalonia, Flanders, or Scotland?”

      But really, the flip side of this, as was discussed in another thread, is ‘and why are Catalonia, Flanders, or Scotland so much more deserving than Kurdistan, Balochistan, Uyghuristan’ (or more pertinently, Euskadistan).

      I’m also not entirely sure the desire to become part of a superstate upon achieving de jure sovereignty is even there – in either direction. (and fwiw, Sir Ulrich’s homeland is not part of the EU).Report

      • Nob Akimoto Nob Akimoto in reply to Kolohe says:

        I think it’s not so much that Catalonia, Flanders or Scotland are more deserving than Kurdistan, Balochistan, Uyghuristan, Euskadistan, Tibet or hell South Ossetia, just that the structural implements in the form of the super-state that allows this sort of federalism isn’t there for them.

        As for becoming part of the superstate, the Catalonians at least want to join the EU, they’re demanding they join as the latest member. As for Liechtenstein, mea culpa. But they are part of the EFTA and EEA and share a currency with Switzerland.Report

  4. Avatar Burt Likko says:

    Would an independent Catalonia be better off or worse off than it is as a mostly-autonomous province of Spain? By how much? For that matter, is Portugal that much better off as an independent nation than it would be from a more cosmopolitan Iberia, and is it that much better or worse off than Spain?

    By which I mean, I understand cultural and national identities, and that there are variances in regional economies as compared to the continental economy taken as a whole, but in modern Europe, what substantial differences in the day-to-day lives of individuals would be made here? Their own representatives in the European Parliament as opposed to only having a portion of the Spanish delegation?Report

    • Nob Akimoto Nob Akimoto in reply to Burt Likko says:

      The most substantial difference is in tax receipts.

      As noted Catalonia supplies about 20% of government revenues but receives about 14% of expenditures. Self-determination would mean they’d get to keep all their own revenue within their own community.

      It would be akin to say California no longer being required to send tax money to the federal government. (Its deficit and structural revenue problems would vanish overnight)Report

      • Avatar Burt Likko in reply to Nob Akimoto says:

        Okay, so it would be better in the short run, until government spending expanded again.Report

        • Nob Akimoto Nob Akimoto in reply to Burt Likko says:

          I suppose. It’s as much about autonomy as anything else. Fiscal autonomy is an important part of controlling your own destiny.

          And putting it into context, Catalonia’s always been a more successful economic region within Spain. It’s likely it wouldn’t have the sort of structural fiscal issues that Federal Spain has at the moment.Report

          • Avatar damon in reply to Nob Akimoto says:

            If autonomy is important, they damn sure well ought not to be part of the euro zone. Leaving aside the whole currency issues, all those unelected ‘crats in Brussels mandating Eurozone policy re agriculture, etc.?

            Na…Report

  5. Avatar Kim says:

    Spain has always hated itself.Report