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  1. Avatar Burt Likko says:

    Every once in a while, Creampuff State gives Powerhouse U. a run for its money and it’s kind of fun. But yeah, these mismatches are a bit off-putting. It ain’t the pros, man.Report

    • Avatar Kazzy says:

      It is one thing if it’s a school like Appalachian State, that is a powerhouse at its level and is trying its hand at the next level up. This team was terrible at its own level (4-72!)… this wasn’t even Creampuff State…

      What did either team gain from this game? One got a W, the other got money. Neither team learned anything or came away better for having “competed” in such a farce. This was buying victories, plain and simple.Report

  2. Avatar Mike Schilling says:

    This one is easy to fix. Modify the BCS scoring to be more like chess rankings, where playing a very inferior opponent earns you next to nothing for a win but has a huge cost for a loss.Report

    • Avatar Kazzy says:

      Well, that assumes the BCS actually cares about things like this…Report

    • Avatar Burt Likko says:

      This is part of the BCS formula already, in that the W-L record of your opponents is part of the formula used to come up with the rankings. But it could be made stronger and as Kazzy points out, it can’t readily distinguish between an Appalachian State and the Correspondence College of Tampa.Report

      • Avatar Kazzy says:

        I wonder if it works so well at the margins. I don’t know exactly how the BCS formula works (it doesn’t help that they’ve changed in a bajillion times), but I wonder if there is much difference between playing the 100th best school and the 500th best school, when there certainly should be. The 100th best school likely could at least put up a fight. The Savannah States of the world? Not so much.Report

    • Avatar Ryan Noonan says:

      It’s not perfect, but my own little team-ranking computer model approaches this by treating all FCS teams as if they have 0 wins. Beating them is literally worthless (my model assigns no points for beating a team that hasn’t defeated anyone else), losing to them is terrible. It doesn’t admit for shades of gray – i.e., some FCS teams are legitimately better than others – but it does so for a(n admittedly biased) philosophical reason: that I think FBS teams should be prohibited from scheduling FCS teams.Report

  3. Avatar Jaybird says:

    You should only do that for homecoming.Report

  4. Avatar RTod says:

    The Oregon game was kind of like that. They played Arkansas State, which was 10-3 last year, but clearly isn’t going to be anything close to that this year. Seven minutes into the second quarter Oregon’s coach pulled all the starters because the score was 50-3.

    It was like watching someone play Madden, which – turns out – isn’t really that much fun to watch.Report

  5. Avatar dexter says:

    LSU did the same thing. They played a small college and the game, while not extremely lopsided, was never in doubt. Living near Baton Rouge and thus required to hate Saban, I have to say he did play a potential equal.Report

  6. Avatar Michael Drew says:

    College football strikes me as one of those passions that doesn’t lend itself to being argued for. You either see the quaint charm (in which case the defects just make the idea of being a follower that much more charming)… or you don’t, and you entirely rationally find the pastime garish and hypocritical (or you’re just indifferent). I happen to be of the former category, but entirely respect those of the other(s). What’s curious to me is being on the outside of devotee-status looking in, and actually wanting to find your way in there.

    I hope your investment of time and emotional energy end up paying off, Kazzy. This devotee offers you no guarantees.Report

    • Avatar Tom Van Dyke says:

      College football is the absolutely best sport to drink to: half as intellectual as the NFL and twice as tribal. Sort of like cricket in the Caribbean: the game’s OK, but add in rum and reggae and you’ve really got something there.Report

    • Avatar Kazzy says:


      That probably sums it up well, both college football (and likely any sport or hobby) and my approach to this “experiment”.

      “What’s curious to me is being on the outside of devotee-status looking in, and actually wanting to find your way in there.”

      With regards to this, what I think makes it different than most instances of someone being on the outside-looking-in is that college football seems to lack both snobbery and evangelicalism. I’m not being told by those on the inside, “Oh, only REAL fans who liked college football before it went mainstream,” -OR- “Dude, you totally have to watch college football all the time every time. It’s like ‘The Wire’ with Lucky Charms-style marshmallows.” Its adherents seem entirely devoted of their own volition and too busy and interested to both with what outsiders think. They’re playing hard to get!Report

      • Avatar Michael Drew says:

        I’d be interested to know in comparison to what sport spectating culture(s) you find college football fandom to lack those qualities…Report

        • Avatar Kazzy says:

          I think most sports spectating cultures lack those qualities. Soccer might be the only one where I’ve experienced snobbery, where I’ve gotten push back from fans who think I’m jumping on the bandwagon when I expressed a newfound interest in the game. Pretty much all other sports fans are all too happy to share their love of the game without being obnoxious and pushy about it. Do your experiences indicate something different?Report

          • Avatar Plinko says:

            Why worry about the fans, isn’t the point to enjoy the sport itself?

            Also, you don’t live in SEC country, the evangelism and snobbery happens pretty well down this way when it comes to college football. Fans in the rest of the country have other sports to divide their attention, down here the FBS dominates.Report

  7. Nob Akimoto Nob Akimoto says:

    And the thing is…

    What amounts to match fixing is probably the least egregious part of the college football business model.

    I love the pageantry but I can no longer be morally complicit in what is essentially indentured servitude of college aged athletes for the purpose of filling a giant institution’s coffers. If they start getting paid, I might go back to it, but until then…meh.Report

    • Avatar Kazzy says:

      The pro league’s complicity in this is also an issue. How convenient that the NBA instituted a minimum age at the exact same time the NCAA was complaining about missing out on so many preps-to-pros talents.Report

      • Nob Akimoto Nob Akimoto says:

        Yeah, it’s essentially cartel behavior that allows this to happen.

        European soccer leagues for all their faults have a paying, equitable developmental system that starts at youth leagues. American sports need to start competing for amateur talent.Report

      • Avatar Chris says:

        Right, both the NFL and the NBA have no incentive to circumvent what amounts to a free farm/minor league system for them.

        I think football is the worst, in terms of the way it treats student athletes, though. PBS aired a documentary on this a few years ago that was heartbreaking. The kid from Tennessee (I think) who had surgery for an on-the-field injury, and couldn’t go to class because he was recovering (including taking pain medication that would have made going to class pointless anyway), and ended up with eligibility issues as a result. Or the kids from several schools who didn’t even know what their majors were (they might have known the name, but they had no idea what it referred to), because they’d just been told “This is your major. Take these courses. Stay eligible.” Nothing about the system seemed kosher.

        Young basketball players have a new option, though: Europe, which has increasingly competitive basketball leagues that are more than happy to take young American talent for a couple years. If sports agents were smart, they’d be whispering in recruits ears, “Europe. Europe. Eeeuuuurope.”Report