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Patrick is a mid-40 year old geek with an undergraduate degree in mathematics and a master's degree in Information Systems. Nothing he says here has anything to do with the official position of his employer or any other institution.

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  1. Avatar Sam says:

    I can’t make it better, but I offer you this in tribute: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w_1ZEk4mdsReport

  2. Avatar Tod Kelly says:

    Actually, I am starting to have the sad, creeping feeling that now that Jerry’s son has taken over the business, this will be us in the next 5-10 years.Report

  3. Avatar Chris says:

    Dude, somebody has something on that: Cubs fans. 1908! There are only a handful of people alive today who were alive when the Cubs last won a championship. No one who was an adult at the time is alive today. Think about that. In 1909, Cubs fans were excited because their team had just won back-to-back championships. It’s good to be a Cubs fan! What do the Cubs do next? They go more than a century, and counting. Nothing can top that. I don’t care how incompetent the Warriors management has been, nothing can top that. I’m not sure how the Cubs still have any fans at all. It’s not like Chicago doesn’t have another team that has won a championship in the last 100 years (two, to be precise).Report

    • Avatar Plinko in reply to Chris says:

      Thing in baseball is a team can be pretty good and still not make the playoffs, in the NBA and NHL, it feels like everyone does.

      For pure franchise ineptitude over a long period, it’s hard to top the Detroit Lions from the 60s up until this year (maybe). The relative paucity of NFL trades would make for fewer clearly awful decisions and a lot more little bad ones.Report

    • Avatar Mike Schilling in reply to Chris says:

      The Cubs were only in the Series in 1908 because the umpires totally blew the Fred Merkle call.  Their fans should count their blessings.Report

      • Avatar Chris in reply to Mike Schilling says:

        Depends on who you ask. I wasn’t there, so I can’t say for sure whether he touched second.Report

        • Avatar Mike Schilling in reply to Chris says:

          That’s not really the issue, compared to

          1. Was that rule generally enforced at the time?  The answer seems to be “no”.

          2. Was the ball that was eventually used to tag second base the one that had been in use?  Almost certainly not.

          Anyway, the Cubs have been suitably rewarded for that bit of chicanery.Report

          • Avatar Chris in reply to Mike Schilling says:

            I was just kidding, really.

            I’ve been a Braves fan my entire life (we have suffered our own bizarre sort of futility), but when I was a kid, my grandparents lived in Chicago, and every summer we’d go to a Cubs game (twice we went to White Sox games, one in Old and one in New Comiskey): the teams with Andre Dawson, Ryne Sandberg, Rick Sutcliffe, a young Greg Maddux. It was fun, but the Cubs fans were obsessed with the futility and the history. There was a book they sold either at Wrigley or just outside of it (I don’t remember) about the “Unforgettable Season,” and it apparently sold very well (I remember very distinctly that there were a lot of copies). I suspect that for Cubs fans, it was a form of torture to read about when their team was really good. My Dad bought it for me and I read it when I was 13, maybe, and that is probably the last time I thought of Merkle until today (with the possible exception of a quick thought or two when watching Ken Burns’ Baseball).Report

            • Avatar Mike Schilling in reply to Chris says:

              The Braves’ run was amazing.  If you figure that the regular season is the real test and the playoffs largely a crapshoot (which I think is pretty accurate), they had an amazing streak of success with slightly below-average luck in the post-season.  I still don’t forgive them for 1993, though: that was the best Giants team I’ve ever seen or ever expect to see.Report

              • Avatar Chris in reply to Mike Schilling says:

                You’re right about the regular season being the real test, but I don’t think the playoffs are largely a matter of luck or chance. I think some teams are better designed for playoffs. The Braves, particularly their pitching staff, was well designed to win over the long run. It wasn’t (especially the bullpen) as well designed to win in the postseason as, say, the late 90s Yankees or the mid-2000s Redsox.

                The Cubs, on the other hand, seem to have been purposefully designed to win 75 games.Report

  4. Avatar Patrick Cahalan says:

    The Cubs have won the NL East.  They’ve won back-to-back division titles as recently as 2007-2008.

    They might not be able to close the deal, but at least they occasionally make the playoffs with a chance to win something.

    If the Warriors make the playoffs, it’s to lose miserably.Report

    • Avatar BlaiseP in reply to Patrick Cahalan says:

      The Chicago Cubs have always had a superb farm league system.    The Cubs, going back to the 80s, have traded away all their good talent to other teams.   Look at all that farm league talent they traded away for Garza.   Good riddance to Quade, that bum.Report

      • Avatar Sam in reply to BlaiseP says:

        BlaiseP,

        The franchise damned itself when it refused to hire Sandberg. Well, that and every other thing it has ever done. I’m happy to have walked away from baseball fandom, and my Cubs fandom. It was such a waste of time and energy.Report

    • Avatar Mike Schilling in reply to Patrick Cahalan says:

      I was there the night the Warriors won the playoff series against Dallas.  The Coliseum was rocking — it was the loudest, most emotional, most intense crowd I’ve ever been part of. We Believe, baby!

      And the next time they’re in the playoffs, 20 years from now, I’ll go again.Report

    • Avatar Chris in reply to Patrick Cahalan says:

      Dude, the Cubs have made the playoffs 11 times in the last century. 11! They didn’t make the playoffs from 1945 until 1984. Let me say that again: They did not make the playoffs from 1945 until 1984. Since 1945, they have made the playoffs 6 times. The Warriors have made the playoffs 28 times in that period.

      Nothing competes with the Cubs for futility and frustration. There are portions of hell where the damned are forced to be rabid Cubs fans. The Warriors? Only in Purgatory are souls forced to root for them.Report

      • Avatar Plinko in reply to Chris says:

        For that entire period, only 4 MLB teams made the playoffs each season. For most of that Warriors period, 16 NBA teams made the playoffs every season, it’s apples and oranges.Report

        • Avatar Chris in reply to Plinko says:

          Actually, for most of that period, only 2 teams made the MLB postseason. Still, I don’t think it’s apples and oranges. The Warriors have won a championship in that period, the Cubs haven’t. On top of that, the measure of futility should be largely determined by the makeup of the sport. Within its sport, the Cubs have achieved a level of futility that is so statistically improbable that a new physical law may be required to explain it. The Warriors just aren’t there yet, and probably never will be. I’ll check back in 70 years, though, when we can say for sure.Report

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