Monday Blognado: Does Size Matter?

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James K

James is a government policy analyst, and lives in Wellington, New Zealand. His interests including wargaming, computer gaming (especially RPGs and strategy games), Dungeons & Dragons and scepticism. No part of any of his posts or comments should be construed as the position of any part of the New Zealand government, or indeed any agency he may be associated with.

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  1. Avatar wardsmith
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    James, good to see you back on the horse. 🙂

    As to corruption, I used to do a lot of business in Germany. I met once with a group of scientists from Siemens and after a long and fruitful meeting that dragged on to closing time at the office, I invited them out for dinner and drinks, my treat. They all demurred, telling me that such was verboten given that being friendly with me and my company overmuch would influence their decision (which as we all knew was all but already made). That said I respected their position and bid them Aufwiedersehen. Only later did I stop and think how many times Siemens had been caught bribing foreign companies, governments and individuals. I guess corruption is in the eye of the beholder.Report

    • Avatar Tom Van Dyke in reply to wardsmith
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      Glad you’re back, James. K.

      I’m skeptical of these Soros-financed OECD-inspired Euro-orgs making fine gradations when it comes to the US  There’s quite a bit of subjectivity in the criteria, and that a Canada or Finland comes out margimally better in the stats is not absolute truth.

      THE 2011 CORRUPTION PERCEPTIONS INDEX MEASURES THE PERCEIVED LEVELS OFPUBLIC SECTOR CORRUPTION IN 183 COUNTRIES AND TERRITORIES AROUND THE WORLD

      I mean, what does “perceived” mean in scientific sense?  “Perceived” admits subjectivity.

      Hopefully, there’s a wide enough difference between Canada and Hugo Chavez’ Venezuela that even a Euroweinie can tell.  And it’s not as though I necessarily disagree—the US includes the City of Chicago, which could swing any measure. [So much for “federalism” and localism, then.]

      But I’m not sure there’s enough margin for subjective error in Transparency International’s figures for the civilized world to make your regressions worth computing.

      As for the world that includes Chavez and Mugabe and the Kims and the Castros, I would say that it’s easier to commit such madness and tyranny in a smaller country than a bigger one.Report

      • Avatar James K in reply to Tom Van Dyke
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        In my experience the OECD is pretty solid, as is Transparency International, and if they were arugula-eating socialists I doubt theyd have Singapore near the top of their list.  Don’t get me wrong, there are some dodgy comparisons out these, but those are mostly produced by activist groups (or occasionally the UN).  But I don’t think that’s what we have here.

        I mean, what does “perceived” mean in scientific sense?  ”Perceived” admits subjectivity.

        Yeah, you get that in the social sciences.  Things would be much better if it were as easy to measure thing in economics as it is in physics, but we have to deal with the world we have, not the one we want.  And ultimately they’re interviewing the people who do business in these countries, so I think they’re doing the best anyone could.

        Hopefully, there’s a wide enough difference between Canada and Hugo Chavez’ Venezuela that even a Euroweinie can tell.

        Well they rated Venezuela a 2, not exactly a ringing endorsement.  Don’t get me wrong, the US does pretty well by world standards, just poorly vs. the countries most similar to it, and not by a small amount.  The US scored 7.1 vs. Canada’s 8.9, that’s a nearly 2 point difference on a 10 point scale.  It would take a lot of uncertainty to outweigh a difference that big.

        As for the world that includes Chavez and Mugabe and the Kims and the Castros, I would say that it’s easier to commit such madness and tyranny in a smaller country than a bigger one.

        Possibly, but in the 20th Century alone we saw the USSR, China and Germany all produce madness and tyranny which is impressive when you consider that there are more small countries than there are large ones for obvious reasons.  Also when a small country goes feral it’s a problem for that country, and maybe its neighbours.  When a big country goes feral its’ everyone’s problem.  Small might be better from a risk-management perspective.Report

        • Avatar Tom Van Dyke in reply to James K
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          JamesK, I love yr locution of “when a country goes feral.”  I think this is the ground zero of yr inquiry.

          The rest of my objection—the relative [next to Chavez and Mugabe] quibble of the OECD’s Eurostatist bias, and mucking with the Anglosphere esp the United States of America, to which the entire world owes its current peace and prosperity, I’ll hold with.

          http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=13943

          I think the OECD’s smug self-justification, what with the looming fiscal and demographic collapse of the Eurostate, needs a bigtime statistical reboot here in 2012.

          I think your larger argument about corruption is perhaps key to the problems of the non-Western world.  The First World, not so much.

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      • Avatar Kimmi in reply to Tom Van Dyke
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        Jesus Christ on a pogo stick!

        My mind is utterly blown.

        The fact that you don’t know about American corruption… Jesus christ!

        If I wanted a passport tommorrow, I could do it. That’s about $2k, and a favor from the Secretary of State.

        If you want a passport within a week, that’s a hell of a lot cheaper.

        Favors are how this American world works. That, and bets.

        Some countries are much much less corrupt than us (Scandinavia, for one. Have you heard of the Hanseatic league? Look up how they decided who got to be chief )Report

    • Avatar James K in reply to wardsmith
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      Bear in mind the surveys they do look at corruption in a country, not the companies in that country (Siemens wasn’t bribing anyone in Germany).  Also, note that it’s worth nothing that there are a lot of countries where it’s effectively impossible to do business without bribery.  That’s the thing about corruption, it self-perpetuates.Report

      • Avatar wardsmith in reply to James K
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        James, you’re exactly right. The other part of the problem viz Tom’s objections above is whether we are judging corruption by “our” standards or “theirs”? Americans believe a lot of things are “corrupt” that other countries wouldn’t even bat an eye over. There is that whole Puritan founders mythos to consider. As for not being able to do business in another country without paying the piper, no duh there. Another reason American corporations are headquartered “offshore”. Too bad for Boeing, they are rank amateurs compared to what Airbus gets to do (with France’s blessing). I’m guessing France doesn’t self-report on their national hero corporation however.Report

  2. Avatar Christopher Carr
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    Could you run these stats against a list of “the usual suspects” for corruption: i.e. income inequality, military size, financial and banking indices, size of central government, percent of the population that votes, etc.?Report

  3. Avatar James Hanley
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    Nice ad for New Zealand, Mr. K.  Maybe using their government resources on this would have been justified.

    This post gets at a sort of long-standing question I’ve had (but never done any work on myself, not really being a comparativist) about size and governance.  Robert Dahl has a classic book on size and democracy, which shows that democracy can work well in large countries as well as smaller ones, but outside some of the public choice literature there’s not a lot–that I’m aware of–on size and competency/effectiveness of governance.

    I think potentially a large comprehensive work could be written about the tradeoffs on various dimensions of value that come from differing state sizes.Report

    • Avatar Patrick Cahalan in reply to James Hanley
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      Generally speaking, from a purely general systems standpoint, the bigger you get the more advantages you get from polymorphism, but the less efficient you get from incorrect applications of it.

      Stupidly simple example:

      You can buy 10,000 10mm hex bolts for cheaper than you can buy 1,000 each of 10 different sizes of bolt.  Plus, if everything is a 10mm hex bolt you don’t lose maintenance time looking for wrenches, or digging through piles of different-sized bolts.  But somewhere, you’re making something bigger than it needs to be, because you only need a 5mm hex bolt and you’ve made it a 10 in the name of standardization.

      When it comes to bolts, this isn’t a big deal.  But when it comes to more complicated things, it can become a big, big deal, particularly when you’re talking about command and control systems.

      Also, from a general security standpoint: the bigger the pot of advantage you have, the more nefarious actors will gravitate to trying to get access to that pot, and the easier it is to take a bit out of that pot without anyone noticing.  So a smaller country has fewer exception scenarios in that case.  There’s just not as much in the way of advantage to be gained from corruption, so the scale of it is either smaller in occurrence, or grander in occurrence but much lower in effect (the $10 bribe to avoid getting the $50 license).

      Unless you’re talking about military power, because that can be a class break, but that’s an aside.Report

    • Avatar James K in reply to James Hanley
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      The difficulty in New Zealand’s case is that our superior governance doesn’t translate into higher GDP, out per capita GDP is about 60% of the US.

      I think your right about the research potential, you know any good political scientists 😉Report

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