Say Goodbye to the Occupation
Tom Jensen from Public Policy Polling has some new figures about the Occupy movement’s dwindling stature in the public’s eyes:
The Occupy Wall Street movement is not wearing well with voters across the country. Only 33% now say that they are supportive of its goals, compared to 45% who say they oppose them. That represents an 11 point shift in the wrong direction for the movement’s support compared to a month ago when 35% of voters said they supported it and 36% were opposed. Most notably independents have gone from supporting Occupy Wall Street’s goals 39/34, to opposing them 34/42…
I don’t think the bad poll numbers for Occupy Wall Street reflect Americans being unconcerned with wealth inequality. Polling we did in some key swing states earlier this year found overwhelming support for raising taxes on people who make over $150,000 a year. In late September we found that 73% of voters supported the ‘Buffett rule’ with only 16% opposed. And in October we found that Senators resistant to raising taxes on those who make more than a million dollars a year could pay a price at the polls. I don’t think any of that has changed- what the downturn in Occupy Wall Street’s image suggests is that voters are seeing the movement as more about the ‘Occupy’ than the ‘Wall Street.’ The controversy over the protests is starting to drown out the actual message.
Occupy was inevitably going to become unpopular, just as the Tea Party has, and just as any social movement that criticizes the status quo eventually will be. The reasons are probably too numerous to catalogue here, but the all-consuming tribal demands of partisanship in America, the resurgence of a highly polarized media sphere, and the inevitable, subtle effects of concentrated corporate media ownership each play their part. But even if the national media’s coverage of the Occupiers had been incessantly positive, the act of occupation itself is demonstrative and antagonistic enough to guarantee that, with time, a public generally averse to real ideological conflict was going to want all the arguing and unpleasantness to just go away.
They shouldn’t, of course, and it won’t.
Whether it’s in the rather amiable and inviting Occupy manifestation of today or in some other, future, and more menacing form, widespread unrest and discontent are unavoidable byproducts of a social order that features great imbalances in wealth and power. Occupiers, then, are just the start; and whether or not they’re also the finish is ultimately the decision of those presently in control. In the meantime, there are smart things the members of Occupy could do, and there are dumb things they could do — but from here on out, Occupiers would do well to pay little if anything attention to these kinds of measurements.
Following the widespread — and possibly Federally coordinated — evictions of Occupy camps throughout the country, it’s now become rather essential that Occupiers determine what they’ll do for a second act. A lot of people are responding to the Zuccotti eviction, and its counterparts elsewhere, as if they were catastrophic defeats. As you can guess from my earlier writings on this subject, I’m not nearly so pessimistic. In fact, I’m glad that the Occupiers have been forced from their camps. The occupation of public spaces had become tired, rudderless, and indeed carried many unnecessary risks. Shifting their model to incorporate new forms of protest and collective action should be, and I believe will be, a good thing for Occupiers. It won’t just separate the hangers-on from the truly devoted; it’ll open up a space within the movement for new people with new ideas to come to the fore.
A new story from The New York Times is encouraging. You’ve got to recognize that there’s some spin being peddled by Occupy spokespeople and organizers, but even still, these people don’t sound defeated — they sound liberated, motivated, and most importantly, optimistic:
In New York, where the police temporarily evicted Occupy Wall Street protesters from Zuccotti Park early Tuesday, and in other cities, dozens of organizers maintained that the movement had already reshaped the public debate. They said it no longer needed to rely solely on seizing parks, demonstrating in front of the homes of billionaires or performing other acts of street theater.
They said they were already trying to broaden their influence, for instance by deepening their involvement in community groups and spearheading more of what they described as direct actions, like withdrawing money from banks, and were considering supporting like-minded political candidates.
Still, some acknowledged that the crackdowns by the authorities in New York and other cities might ultimately benefit the movement, which may have become too fixated on retaining the territorial footholds, they said. “We poured a tremendous amount of resources into defending a park that was nearly symbolic,” said Han Shan, an Occupy Wall Street activist in New York. “I think the movement has shown it transcends geography.”
I especially liked this portion of the article, which gets to the heart of how and why the evictions may soon be seen as a blessing in disguise:
William A. Galston, a senior fellow in governance at the Brookings Institution, said Occupy Wall Street and its offshoots were grappling with what many new movements face. “What do you do for an encore when you’ve gotten people’s attention?” he said.
While grass-roots movements influenced many major social changes in the United States in the last century, Dr. Galston said that after they garnered attention, they invariably moved on to concrete demands, which the Occupy Wall Street effort has been criticized for lacking. The Tea Party, for example, has sought to repeal President Obama’s health care law.
Being kicked out of their camps will hopefully affect the Occupiers like being kicked out of the nest affects a bird or leaving the womb affects a newborn; it’ll force them to grow, mature, change. As Galston puts it, Occupy has gotten our attention. Now they need to do something with it. And no matter what it is, it’ll require much more than a sleeping bag and a tent.
Occupy was inevitably going to become unpopular, just as the Tea Party has, and just as any social movement that criticizes the status quo eventually will be.
Just like that wildly unpopular Civil Rights movement. Or the Women’s Suffrage movement. Or any other social movement that criticizes the status quo.
OWS’s current unpopularity was among the most evitable of outcomes, if you ask me.Report
Neither of those movements were popular (to say the least) at a comparable juncture.Report
I’d be interested in seeing an opinion poll on the Tea Party now, actually. The most recent one I’ve seen is from August and there’s a lot of new information since then.Report
Actually, the Civil Rights movement was highly unpopular right before MLK’s death, largely because the Civil Rights movement beyond basic rights to more abstract things like unionizing minority workers.Report
You’re right. All I meant to point out was that writing off OWS at this stage of the game seems more than a little premature.
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This. Hot, then cold. Then hot, then cold. The early critique was that they would not last. Well, maybe they won’t. But if lasting is the criterion, then how can we take seriously the critique that change (and indeed, needed corrections, cleaning up, reflection, moderation, and more savvy planning) is not occuring on the short, external timetable of this or that observer?Report
Although here the movement’s lack of goals could perversely work in its favor. “45% of Americans oppose the Occupy Wall Street movement’s goals, whatever they are” is a Jon Stewart laff line waiting to happen.Report
Groups like OWS that rebel against the status quo inevitably have the problem of how to regulate those who associated purely for the “rebel” part and not the larger segment that is more likely interested in achieving actual change.
Remaining “leaderless” and disorganized is one way of letting “fringe elements” fester and run the project off the tracks (if ever it was on them).Report
May I reprint a comment I just made in E.D.’s thread? That was a rhetorical question, here it is:
Anti-slavery, women’s suffrage, women’s rights, worker’s rights, civil rights, gay rights, and on and on, are all things that began as aspirations, then disorderly movements. None of them accomplished their goals in the first couple of months, None of them were broadly popular in their nascent stages. All of them took decades or even centuries to realize significant gains. This is a long game, E.D., and if you’re going to follow its progress in a daily tracking poll you’ve already lost it.Report
Agreed, and like the previous mkovements, I am hopeful Occupy will graduate from wild colorful street theater to serious alliances with Labor and environmental groups.
The power structures we are protesting are not going to meekly surrender just because some of us sat in a park; restoring a progressive tax system and breaking the stranglehold that Wall Street has over our system is going to take years of work.Report
“were considering supporting like-minded political candidates.”
Somebody’s finally following Jaybird’s advice!Report
Eh, they’ll fold once they get in the booth. “I don’t know that I can vote for the candidate that I support most… Sure, I’m not a fan of John Jackson… but Jack Johnson is even worse!”
Iterated millions of times.Report
Clearly voting for Morbo’s good pal Richard Nixon is the only sensible course.Report
I was thinking about that thing you said at the very beginning that went something like “they need demands & leaders so the politicians know whom to lie to and how; without the politicians knowing who to lie to and how, Occupy will go on complaining about being ignored”Report
Found it.
If it’s going to be analogous to the tea party, it needs some stuff it can ask politicians to lie about.
If politicians don’t know what they need to lie about, the 99% will continue to feel like nobody is listening to them.Report
First they have to find them…
That said, it’d be interesting to see if some Occupy protesters themselves ran for office.Report
Hasta la vista, baby!Report
Here’s a funny thing. Near where I currently reside, there was a Tea Party event. I didn’t hear about it, certainly not from my local media (largely owned by a single corporation). Only after the fact did it merit a page 9 comment in the local paper wherein I was shocked to learn that 15,000 were present. Now as I’ve come to find out, that was a smallish Tea Party event, and the press could not have said less if they tried. I know a newscaster socially and asked her at a dinner party why they were so inept at covering this. She told me they were ordered by management not to discuss it and could only mention local tea party events if another competing media outlet did. They were specifically not authorized to talk about them /before/ the fact (even though they received invitations and brought news trucks with GHz uplinks) because they weren’t supposed to “advertize” for them.
Meanwhile with OWS “events” across the nation the press falls over itself to talk about “crowds” in the 10’s and 100’s max. That hasn’t stopped the MSM from contrasting and conflating the two, OWS and TP. As far as a “movement” goes, this one has already received vastly more ink than its numbers could possibly justify. Something is fishy in Denmark.Report
yeah, yeah, And no. try again. Did you see what calculated risk had to say about CNBC’s coverage of OWS? Your contacts? are they teh liberals in town?Report
Kim, Kimmi, whoever. I will NEVER respond again to one of your posts unless you can be bothered to add a link. Unlike you, I’m not a full time blog troll dropping flyby bombs wherever I go. If you’re up for reasoned discussion I’m all yours but this is not that.Report
wardsmith,
I posted a cited source. From a large blog, which has a huge commentariat. It is unreasonable for you to ask me to look back through and find the exact comment. I’m not bluffing — you could check the cnbc archives if you don’t believe me.
Jason and James have a point when they ask me to cite my sources — they’re saying that they want to investigate some of my conclusions further.
This ain’t that, though. This is just link-sourcing for its own sake. And, because this is a full month later, I ain’t playing. You want me to sift through 30000 messages? sorry, kid. but no.Report
“I have a friend who says…”
Seriously? Thats your best shot?Report
Like Kimmi can’t figure out how to come in under a different guise. Here’s actual data.
Not to mention the majority of “stories” about the Tea Party were commentary by pseudo journalists not covering anything and attempting to agitate for their party, er I mean base, er I mean readers/viewers.
Meanwhile I’m still waiting on Janet Napolitano’s report on how scary the Occupiers are. You know the whole climate of fear? Cause we sure saw that about the Tea Party and it was pure propaganda. You know the usual SOS the left dishes out on our collective plate.Report
Your link is to a graph that shows OWS getting more media stories in the first week, then progressively less over time, matching the Tea Party.
You claimed in your post that there was a media conspiracy to suppress stories about the Tea Party- your mysterious friend who works for a newspaper (which of course can not be named) told you so.
Apparently the global media consortium doing business as “News Corp.” AKA Fox News, NY Daily News, Wall Street Journal, et. al., didn’t get the communique about a media blackout. Maybe George Soros left them off the cc list or something.
What I recall was wall to wall fawning reports of Tea Party rallies- in one case a Fox reporter was caught actually prompting the crowd in chants and cheers.
But yeah, I guess that all pales in comparison to your Deep Throat source who blew the whistle about the conspiracy while getting second helpings of cocktail weenies.Report
ward,
you ought to know that I use the “i have a friend” enough not to call you on that one!Report
Ward:
I agree, funny that Elias is comparing OWS and the TP when they couldn’t be more different. Last time I checked the TPs didn’t break all sorts of laws while trying to be morally superior. I don’t Denver any reports of deaths or sexual assualts at TP rallies either despite that some folks brought guns.Report
The OWS made many tactical mistakes, like getting the endorsement of the Communist Party USA and the American Nazi Party. It’s rather ironic that if successful, they would be the first people put up against a wall and shot as “useless eaters.” Threatening to throw Molotov cocktails at Macy’s on Thanksgiving was probably not a good idea, and all the rapes generated some pretty negative press, too. That’s why it was so easy to dismiss the occupation as a Nazi Party endorsed bomb-throwing rape camp.
The problem they face isn’t the “vast disparity of wealth.” It’s the vast disparity of intelligence, manners, common sense, and hygiene, combined with the perpetual unpopularity in this country of angry communist and Nazi messages from kids in Che Guevara shirts (were their Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot shirts still in the laundry?)
Despite the media bending over backwards to present the protesters in the best possible light, the general reaction of the public is wondering how such people managed to graduate from Romper Room, much less from college.Report
Easy for some. Easy if you want to.Report
Where’d you hear that?Report
Probably the New York Post.Report
While obviously the numbers of these type of people are exaggerated for propaganda purposes, I still would’ve appreciated a “dude you’re fishing insane” from somebody there.Report
And the New York Daily News, and Drudge, and everywhere else. CBS New York is running the video of the threat.
The problem with a movement where the rank and file includes large numbers of thieves, rapists, thugs, terrorists, anti-semites, Nazis, and communists, mixed in with general idiots, is that they’re not really good at hiding who they are. In the days before good press coverage, streaming video, and the Internet such movements could sometimes achieve success, installing a dictarship run by thieves, rapists, thugs, terrorists, anti-semites, Nazis, communists, and general idiots, but today, not so much.
Government is about sewer, gas, and electric, whereas these protesters look like a Zombie apocalypse. Nobody would trust one to mow their lawn, much less run their city.Report
the perpetual unpopularity in this country of … Nazi messages from kids in Che Guevara shirts
And this is why Poe’s law exists.
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There have been and are some who carry Castro’s water, if Guevera isn’t probative.Report
I don’t doubt the existence of kids in Che shirts. I’ve seen plenty of ’em myself. I’ve just never heard one spouting Nazi slogans.
But I’m getting a kick out of imagining der Fuhrer in a Che shirt. Or maybe Goebbels.Report
Joseph Mengele would probably be a more apt comparison, especially since Guevara described his summary executions of civilians in medical terms, such as “I ended the problem giving him a shot with a .32 pistol in the right side of the brain, with exit orifice in the right temporal.”
Then again, Goebbels would make a closer match to Che’s cries like “We must create the pedagogy of the The Wall! ” refering to lining civilians up against a wall and executing them as a teaching tool, but I don’t recall that Goebbels <i>personally</i> killed anyone, much less the several hundred that Che did. Of course Goebbels constant denunciations of the rich, of capitalists, of capitalism, and his calls for wealth redistribution and social justice would be right at home at any OWS protest, too.
It’s a difficult call. How best to compare mass murderers, by their methods, motives, statements, their clinical precision, or their victim tally?
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<i>But even if the national media’s coverage of the Occupiers had been incessantly positive…</i>
if? they found a crowd of news-creating, incoherent white people they could finally rep!
nypost excepted, of course, due to insider info they have about the undead spirit of chairman mao living on in the hearts and minds of the occupados. and because it’s the nypost and being irresponsibly surrealist while having the snappiest headlines in the tri state area is their thing.Report
I’m a fan of occupying and arterial roads with bicycles in formation, especially during rush hour… Picketing federal buildings is also a lot of fun. I’v also been studying the WA State long gun open carry laws, to see what protests need livening up.Report
Pete, leave the long dancing shoes at home until the music starts. SWAT and other units are good out to 600 yards. If they call in the drones to the party, they can pick up body heat. Don’t put it past them to use air burst ordnance on civilians.Report
Applied thermobarics 101:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmRASCHJe2QReport