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Erik Kain

Erik writes about video games at Forbes and politics at Mother Jones. He's the contributor of The League though he hasn't written much here lately. He can be found occasionally composing 140 character cultural analysis on Twitter.

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  1. Avatar Jaybird
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    Part of the problem is that most problems that most people have aren’t *THAT* entertaining. Well, after they hit 27 or 28, anyway.

    Okay, the problems that I had between the ages of 20 and 25? Those were some entertaining problems. Seriously, you could have put a show on based on them and, depending on the music/laugh track options, it could have been a sitcom, black comedy, or after-school special devoted to cautionary example.

    Now that I’m a grownup, my problems are more of the form of “paying bills” and “trying to get these install instructions readable by someone who doesn’t know their butt from their bicep” and “the cat peed on the couch (again)”.

    I don’t *WANT* to watch a show based on lives like mine. I’ve got one. I’m thrilled with it, of course, but watching a show about it would be a waste of time. Now a show dedicated to people who have enough money to entertain themselves with the problems I had between 20-25? Yeah, I’d probably watch that.Report

    • Avatar Pat Cahalan in reply to Jaybird
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      > I don’t *WANT* to watch a show based on lives
      > like mine. I’ve got one. I’m thrilled with it, of
      > course, but watching a show about it would be
      > a waste of time.

      Yeah, this.

      Although Red Foxx would still be funny. People might regard it as poor taste to laugh at the poor folk, though.Report

    • Avatar E.D. Kain in reply to Jaybird
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      Jaybird – this makes sense, and maybe this is why this is so often a feature of comedies and romantic comedies. I suppose it’s really just that sometimes I’m watching a movie and they’re walking around in this massive kitchen in this gorgeous house, and they’re complaining about this or that problem and it’s…hard for me to sympathize. And I do think I am supposed to sympathize, but I don’t.

      I think you can do it without the wealth. A show like The Office isn’t peopled with upper-middle-class people. Or Parks and Recreation. It’s mainly just a trend I’ve noticed. The family in Mr. Mom, for instance, isn’t hurting financially, but they’re not rolling in cash either. Their house is fine, but it’s not so bloody *nice*.Report

      • Avatar Jaybird in reply to E.D. Kain
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        A kitchen with an island and granite counter tops and a margarita machine that you KNOW has never been used tells the viewer “this is why she is complaining about Tanya dating Wally even though Tanya KNEW that Ashleigh liked Wally and Ashleigh dating Tyler was only temporary and now Meaghan is stirring the pot by flirting with Tanya’s ex-boyfriend whom EVERYBODY hates.”

        People with kitchens where there is a stove, a sink, and enough counterspace for either a cutting board or a dishrack but not both do not have time for this kinda drama.

        It’s easy to imagine that people with islands and dual ovens and granite countertops that they never use do, though.Report

    • Avatar Kyle Cupp in reply to Jaybird
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      I wouldn’t want a show based on my life either. With that, you’d have television perfection, and where would we go from there?Report

    • Avatar JosephFM in reply to Jaybird
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      This is an excellent point, and reminds me that some of ma favorite shows of late that were about people like me all had various surreal aspects to them. I’m thinking, especially, of Community -one of the few shows on the air with a cast of varying age and class.Report

  2. Avatar Sam MacDonald
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    ED,

    Thanks for the response.

    I agree that we are in something of a golden age of television. What made me think you thought otherwise was this:

    “I think something that’s far more troubling is the normalization of the upper-middle-class in film and television these days. Go back in time to a movie like E.T. or any number of films made in the 70’s and 80’s and the people in those films were pretty firmly middle class. They didn’t have big, perfect houses.”

    I put the stress on “these days” and “those films were pretty firmly middle class.” Yes, we had Friends and now Cougartown. But the more I think about it, the more I can come up with counterexamples. Almost half the TV shows seem to be cop procedurals dealing with the way middle class professionals deal with the underclass. You say the people are more beautiful than is reasonable, I say Ice-T and Richad Belzer. Doesn’t the Office and Parks and Recreation qualify as “real” in at least the economic sense?

    In my eyes, nothing appears different “these days.” In general, as much as we hate to admit it, you and I are… snobs. We like clever stuff written for young college graduates. Not Reba. Not Mike and Molly.

    In a perfect world, all the stuff starring “normal people” would be Roseanne or All in the Family. But it’s not, so we don’t watch it. Instead, we watch shows cleverly subverting upper middle class as people who are loveable DESPITE their money, not because of it. It gives us hope for ourselves.

    And the smartly written stuff about the other side of the tracks? I honestly don’t know. Who was the Wire written FOR? What was the demographic of the audience?

    I have to say that most of the gritty media that deal with stuff I am familiar with strike me as hopeless. I am from rural Western PA. I was supposed to love Breece DJ Pancake. I didn’t. I hated the Deerhunter. I wonder if guys from the hood in Baltimore feel the same about the Wire.

    So yeah. Charles Dickens did his thing. But I am glad Wodehouse wrote about Bertie and Jeeves. And I am glad Ed Bundy has a pnneumatic new wife.Report

    • Avatar Pierre Corneille in reply to Sam MacDonald
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      I’ve never seen Parks and Recreation, but I agree with you about The Office.Report

    • Avatar E.D. Kain in reply to Sam MacDonald
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      Wodehouse was spoofing the wealthy, of course.

      But in any case, I didn’t mean for my post to claim that we should never have portrayals of wealthy or moderately wealthy people in TV and film, or that this has never been done before. I think there has been a trend in a lot of movies to present the upper-middle-class as *normal* rather than as well-to-do. Has this always been done? Maybe so. It’s just something I’ve noticed with a lot of shows (but certainly not all shows).

      Nor do I think it’s necessary for good TV.Report

      • Avatar Mike Schilling in reply to E.D. Kain
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        And many Wodehouse characters are upper-class but not wealthy, so they either have to work (Bingo Little, Psmith) or live by their wits (Ukridge). Bertie is of course not equipped for either.Report

  3. Avatar Art Deco
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    The point I was making is simply that overall the portrayal of ‘normal’ families seems to be of pretty rich families

    You are confounding affluent (ample income) with rich (ample assets and often an enterprise of consequence). I think you generally see the latter in (fictional and non-fictional) police procedurals — as perpetrators.Report

  4. Avatar Pinky
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    The Courtship of Eddie’s Father, Family Affair, The Nanny, Mr. Belvedere, Benson, The Addams Family, Maude – All had butlers and/or maids.Report

  5. Avatar Jaybird
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    Don’t most of Jane Austen’s stories take place among the more or less idle?Report

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