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Mark of New Jersey

Mark is a Founding Editor of The League of Ordinary Gentlemen, the predecessor of Ordinary Times.

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  1. Avatar Will
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    Hahaha I knew you would bang out a long post on Klinsmann. I’m irrationally optimistic because I loved watching the guy play. USA! USA!

    PS – I think Klinsmann’s been living in California for the past several years, so he may be better acclimated to American culture than your average dirty foreigner.Report

  2. Avatar Joey Joe Joe
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    Klinsy is still stuck with the same tactical problems. Their best squad has both Dempsey and Donovan out there. One playing wide and one in the hole with a lone striker? Put Stuart Holden with Bradley or jermaine jones (meh) in the center of the park. One and preferably two forwards have to step up. Even better would be two that combine well. That is probably too much to ask.
    In the copa America they tried to posses the ball and build from the back but against European and other squads they are basically a counterattacking squad–which is fine but Howard must play exceptionally well.
    I’m rambling but hope should come with a regime change.Report

  3. Avatar Koz
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    It’s weird that even as soccer gets better at the youth levels, the USMNT seems to have dropped a talent level. Donovan, Dempsey, Howard are the only three guys who clearly deserve to play for a top 20 world club team.

    Like Mark, I don’t think it has to do with the coach, whoever he is. My plan is more radical, though it would be good for the both the US clubs and USMNT. UEFA, CONCACAF, and FIFA would all kill it before it took got anywhere near taking off though.

    Here it is. Set up a promotion/relegation system in the US so that the top league only has 8-10 teams in it. Get promising players into pro systems by 13-15. Take the top four teams and form a league in Europe, w/ PSV, Ajax, Benfica, Porto, Sporting, and Anderlecht. Play a one-game round robin league. With that level of competition, and if it was done at the right time of the year, the teams would definitely be committed to winning it. And Americans would get routinely better competition that MLS current displays.Report

    • Avatar Mark Thompson in reply to Koz
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      Here it is. Set up a promotion/relegation system in the US so that the top league only has 8-10 teams in it. Get promising players into pro systems by 13-15. Take the top four teams and form a league in Europe, w/ PSV, Ajax, Benfica, Porto, Sporting, and Anderlecht. Play a one-game round robin league. With that level of competition, and if it was done at the right time of the year, the teams would definitely be committed to winning it. And Americans would get routinely better competition that MLS current displays.

      I could not agree with this any more. A relegation system eventually is a definite must, I just don’t know if an American pro sports league would ever adopt it; no American owner – and for that matter, few if any American fans – would ever take the risk that would go along with such a system, though MLS is still at a stage where it could arguably get pulled off under the right, desperate circumstances. I’ve been advocating for a relegation system in baseball and football since, like, forever even though it could never possibly happen in those sports.

      As for the issue of youth soccer, it’s worth noting that in the last four or five years, MLS has been making a pretty strong push to do exactly that, and it’s definitely starting to pay some early dividends. There was a Leander Alphabets article on this a few weeks/months back, but it’s something I’d been slowly noticing for awhile. Also worth mentioning is that Claudio Reyna’s efforts at reforming the youth system in this country will pay huge dividends if he can overcome the resistance from local organizations and parent-coaches. That youth system ensures that the US will never be able to break through to the next level as a source of talent. Getting onto a team with access to the D-squads is far too political and woefully restricts the pool of talent that passes the eyes of higher level coaches.

      Also, the second-tier Champions League idea is brilliant, though the MLS is still a little bit aways from its top teams being able to compete with the aforementioned. I’d say that the best MLS squad these days would be about on the level of a middling to bottom of the table English League Championship side. The good news is that MLS has gotten dramatically better over the years. The first MLS game I went to was its debut year, one of the then-Metrostars games. It was nothing short of unwatchable. Then I was at Freddy Adu’s first game for DC United. It was watchable, but just barely. Last year, I went to a couple Philly Union games, which was a bottom of the table expansion team, and I dare say that the 2010 Philly Union could have (easily) beaten the 2004 DC United MLS Cup winners.

      The big difference from the opening season to 2004 was that the league stopped trying to be gimmicky and put its focus on soccer. The big difference between 2004 and now is that the improvements between 1996 and 2004 got MLS to a point where it was on a par with some of the lower tier European leagues, so since 2004 it seems like the best players in CONCACAF and some of the second and third tier players from CONMEBOL have decided that they’d rather play in the US than in those lower tier European leagues.

      All of this is just an impression, of course – I’d be interested to see if the facts bear me out.Report

      • Avatar Koz in reply to Mark Thompson
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        “Also, the second-tier Champions League idea is brilliant, though the MLS is still a little bit aways from its top teams being able to compete with the aforementioned.”

        That’s why it has to hand-in-hand with the promotion/relegation system. The talent in North America is spread way too thin. If we had the best talent concentrated into 3-8 teams, we’d be much more competitive.Report

  4. Avatar Scott
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    I thought Werner Von Braun was the “good German?”Report

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