“Liberalism is elitism”
First, many thanks to Will for spotting this article and passing it along my way. It’s one of the better articles I’ve read in some time.
Hogeland’s main point – that liberalism has almost always been, and may always continue to be, at odds with populism – is an idea I’m more open to now than I have been in the past. It’s becoming harder for me to reconcile a fundamentally nostalgic and irrational (in the Pournelle chart kind of way) political philosophy with the forward-looking rationalism at liberalism’s core, even if the two perspectives frequently end with the same policy conclusions. While I might’ve at some point pushed back against the liberalism vs. populism concept, I don’t know that I’m not coming around on that.
My only small issue with Hogeland’s article (aside from the cringe-inducing parallels he draws between WJB and Sarah Palin) is that I can’t tell if he believes in an actual populist ideology, or if, as Michael Kazin argues in The Populist Persuasion, he believes populism is more of a style of politics that can be applied to any given set of policies or politicians. At times, he seems to put his finger on core principles characteristic of an ideology, particularly when he contrasts populism with liberalism:
- Protecting the “ordinary”. “[Populism] seeks to enshrine and advance the rights and hopes of ordinary people;” liberalism “believes itself to be those rights’ best protection.”
- Skepticism of meritocratic achievement. “Populists deemed advanced formal education and its resulting expertise tools for keeping ordinary people out of the halls of power,” while liberals “hopes for social progress lay specifically in advanced formal education.”
- Nostalgia for the past. “[Populists] accused corporate hegemony of being innovative, departing from what they saw as the small-scale, family-focused ethics of the past.” Progressives, meanwhile, “hoped to move American society forward, not backward to an imagined pioneer democracy.”
- Faith in American ideals. “That the producer, not the consumer should benefit from society’s efforts was especially and rightly American, populists believed.” And that “an America true to… its democratic origins must always favor ordinary laborers over investors and small farmers over well-heeled bankers.”
- Evangelicalism (secular or religious). “The war [Bryan] kept declaring was a moral one for the transcendent virtue of self-evident good, beyond debate and petition, beyond the win-some, lose-some, art-of-the-possible quotidian.”
Those five tenets alone (and I would probably add a couple of others) make for a pretty complete ideology – one from which it’s easy to predict the resulting policy positions. If this is the case, than the rift between liberalism and populism stands to reason; there may be some policy overlap but they are entirely different ideologies with divergent historical lessons and different visions for the future.
For the most part, Hogeland also avoids the trap of chronicling a shift between left-wing and right-wing populism and he uses Bryan’s turn at the Scopes trial to illustrate not the break from economic to cultural populism, but the consistency between the two (“For Bryan… there was no shift.”) Like libertarianism, populism can be expressed in ways that are commonly associated with either the American Left or the American Right, but ultimately, it’s an ideology that doesn’t really need qualifiers.
But Hogeland also suggests again and again that populism is less concerned with policy and more concerned with presentation. “Then as now,” Hogeland argues, “the hottest blast of populist rhetoric was directed less at specific policies than at elites’ dismissal of ordinary people’s judgments, determinations, and desires.” If that’s the case, populist is the qualifying term; populist liberals, populist conservatives, populist libertarians, all are equally credible. On that point, I’m not sold. It is possible to present a decidedly un-populist argument using populist language/grievances (the “method that Bryan perfected”). Describing everyone who feels patronized by elites as “populist” is as nonsensical as considering all people who self-classify as individualists “libertarian.” I don’t think Hogeland meant that or thinks that, but enough people do that it’s worth mentioning.
That aside, I’m still trying to figure out if I’m fully on board with the belief that populism and liberalism are destined to be adversarial. It doesn’t really seem fair to put the spotlight on blatantly anti-populist liberals throughout history from William Allen White to Frank Rich and draw the conclusion that “the classic American liberal dilemma” is “warning about the dangers of plutocracy while disdaining the yahoos.” Not fair, but… on some level, it feels mostly true.
Overall, I’m not sure if it matters. So what if liberals and populists don’t think much of each other? Wilson might’ve thought Bryan was a radical rube, but it was during the Wilson administration that many of Bryan’s hardest fought battles were won (progressive income tax, prohibition, women’s suffrage, direct election of Senators, etc…). In historical terms, it matters little that the two men had reason to distrust each other. Maybe liberals and populists should give up on trying to understand each other and just settle for forming the sort of tense coalition on the Left that has marked the “three-legged stool” of the Republican tent for the last four decades.
That idea may have to be put on hold until the current moment passes. For now, the conditions have probably deteriorated to a point where even a “tense” coalition is unlikely for all except the few hangers-on who, like me, believe the principles of populism are best achieved by Democrats and by the American Left.
Some random late night thoughts:
The problem with the kind of history is that you can prove any point you want depending on your anecdote. I could point to Will Rogers, staunch Dem, tremedsoudly popular and deeply populist in tone and attitude. Certainly during the depression years there was a pretty stark divide between rich, educated people ( elites by most definitions) and most of the rest of damn country.
This is all about definitions and how much straw is used in making them. For example defining populism as less concerned with meritocracy and liberalism more focused on formal education is, as Kazin did, is at best deeply confused. First it suggests populists don’t care about formal education and such. The obvious come back is that everybody wants their doctor or pilot to be really well trained and educated, they just like to complain about educated people saying things they don’t like. But also public education for all was something liberals fought for, but not to help freaking rich people who could get all the education they wanted. Public ed. was for poor, rural, African Am’s and middle class people. In what conception of populist were liberals and populist not on the same side.
I would certainly agree populism is not tied to any specific belief on the spectrum. I would add that strong populist movements come out in hard times so i don’t think you can separate the movement from the times. I’m not really seeing why its reasonable to say todays populists are opposed to liberalism. Can someone go to Netroots and be a populist? Why are some people populist and some not? A lot of young people jumped into politics on the Dem side in the last 2-4 years, are they populists? Elite is just another word for I don’t like you.Report
@greginak,
The thing is that the whole point of public education seems to be that the elites know that if the rubes would only know what they (the elites) knew, they would be more liberal. In order to work within the democratic framework, you have to get the votes and the only way to get a liberal electorate (a good thing) is to educate them en mass.Report
@Murali, Meh. General public education was something a lot of “the rubes” desperately wanted. For a good example see former slaves after the Civil War. Plenty of Elitist Northerners went to south to build school the Af-Am’s heavily attended to the chagrin of the good ol murican southerners. Also plenty of Elites fought against general public education. Southerners certainly fought against education for Af-Am’s, but plenty of rich folk never saw the point of it. Why do you bother to teach history to some kid who is just going to work in your mine or factory.
Education has been a road to the middle class and , of course, knowledge is power.Report
Actually, southern blacks at first preferred to educate themselves — in black-run private schools. Often they avoided the schools run by white northerners.
During the brief window of Reconstruction when blacks had significant political power in the South, they set up public schools for former slaves. These were not general schools at all — they were schools for former slaves. They were not integrated.
When whites violently seized political power in the South, they kept the blacks-only public schools. And made sure that they were always unequal to the whites’ schools. Rather than the classical or liberal arts programs that blacks themselves wanted, the schools began teaching only the manual trades, and that in an inferior manner.Report
@Jason Kuznicki, There were both kinds of schools,, those taught by blacks and white. No the schools were not integrated for pretty obvious reasons.
I raised this as an example of an elite trying to keep non-elites uneducated to minimize their power and the People wanting education to help raise themselves up.Report
@gregiank, Stonewall Jackson had a Sunday School for Black kids only, before the war. He taught them to read and write, they already knew how to pray to Jesus.Report
Very late-night thought in response:
First, I do love Will Rogers. Wish we had someone like him today – “staunchly Dem” and “populist in tone and attitude.”
Other than that, there’s a difference between reflexive anti-intellectualism and what Hogeland describes – namely that populists are skeptical of advanced formal education because it does keep “ordinary people” out of power. Truman was the last President to not attend college. Think that could happen today? Not since Reagan have we even had a non-Harvard or Yale President. I don’t think there are too many extremist populists who would cheer on the idea of an untrained pilot or doctor, but there’s a good argument to be made that accumulating college degrees shouldn’t be the only avenue for success and happiness. Right now, the absolute belief in formal education is so strong that anyone who is lacking – no matter how decent or hard-working a person – is seen as having fallen short.
To answer your question about what makes a populist, obviously it’s pretty subjective. But for the term to have any meaning, it has to actually be defined, which means including or excluding some claims to populism. Can the netroots be populist? I suppose in theory, but only if the tool is used to support populist goals. To me (little p) populist goals are at least in part derived from the original (big P) Populist movement, which I think Hogeland does a pretty good job of describing. Not everyone agrees that populism is limited in that way, and that leads to almost anything popular being labeled populist – a TV show, a beer, you name it.
Alright – it’s ten to 3, I’m exhausted, and I have no idea if what I just wrote is even coherent. If not, I apologize.Report
I dunno, I always thought ‘populism’ referred to a movement peopled by good, old regular folks, with the caveat that by definition the ‘elites’ were excluded. And, that intellectually speaking, not to mention, spiritually, that was a good thing.
While people tend to annoy me (actually, people annoy me a great deal), predicated on their inadequate public edumacation, sloth, and lack of desire in developing their natural autodidactical impulses, I have always been appalled by those ‘elites’ who take advantage of their power, position, or wealth. And, concerning the ‘eltites’ in question, it is the hypocricital ones on the Left that really knot my shorts with their bs about being for the ‘little man.’ Nothing threatens the jobs of the working class more than the Union boss/thug.
Greg is right, ‘populism’ can originate across the political spectrum. As long as the Tea Party rejects the GOP, in terms of leadership/influence, and the commie-Dems continue to resist it’s republican, anti-socialist message, it will continue to be, to one degree or another, a viable political force.
I do love the rich irony that what may be the most significant ‘populist’ movement in American history may bring down the first African-American regime. And, the fact that the TPers have for all intents and purposes told the fey Left to take their ‘political correctness’ and shove it!Report
@Robert Cheeks,
Mr Cheeks, the union thiugs are populists. They are the result of the clamouring of the uneducated workers; workers who lack economic knowledge (something that could only be learned either in an elite institution like the university (like university of chicago) or picked up autodidactically by those with an elite sensibility of valuing knowledge) and take actions that are genuinely against their best interests.Report
@Murali, NOOOOOO, the union gun thugs are the hirelings of the Union Bosses who are, themselves, elitists, in conjunction with the bankers, politicians, academic, Bildeburgers, and Aliens.Report
@Robert Cheeks,
If union bosses were either a) morally upright
and or b) had an ounce of economic knowledge, they wouldn’t be union bosses. i.e. they are only union bosses because they either ignorantly think that they are helping the workers or they know they are harming them and want to just bilk the workers. i.e. they are populists. They appeal to popular sentiment and ignorance.Report
We also need to distinguish between faux-elites and real elite achievement. The idea that the “populist”, usually associated with the common and ordinary, is insecure and reactionary in the face of the superior elite control is something the aux-elite take pleasure in imagining — “But, after all, we are using our superiority to help the little people!” — however, most people are sick of the faux-elite using political means to protect their power, when in reality they are neither elite, in the true sense of the word, nor superior, and would be lost without political power.Report
I am thinking of this one through the lens of the current election season. Both sides are trying a populist approach to the economy. Republicans say that Washington is the problem and we need fiscal responsibility to encourage job creation and continued tax cuts to boost investment. Democrats say we need to get rid of the tax cuts for the top because the rich are just geting richer.
I have my suspicions on which side is more correct but regardless it’s interesting to see the two-sided debate.Report
@Mike at The Big Stick, “I have my suspicions on which side is more correct but regardless it’s interesting to see the two-sided debate.”
Hey, Mikie when did commie-Keysian economics work? Common sense tells us that Imam Barry’s econ policies are for the purpose of Mau-Mauing the stupid American voters who elected him.Report
@Robert Cheeks,
Hell Mr Cheeks, even being true to Keynesian economics would set your market in a freer direction than it currently is.
It seems that in Singapore (which is where I’m at) they only teach the keynesian stuff in the university. Yet, we’ve got the freest economy in the world. That’s because we’ve got experts, honest to God genuine experts having a heavy say in economic policy.Report
@Murali,
And how’s that working out?Report
@MFarmer, Farmer…dude!
Murali: Well, are you saying the ‘experts’ are responsible for the econ collapse or gummint policy or aliens? I’m all eyes!Report
@Robert Cheeks,
american economic collapse is caused by politicians who are basely populist. They craft poliies that appeal to ignorant rubes. i.e. even though they might be elites, they are populist elites. The policies that the educated elite would prefer is likely to result in a freer market. Read Bryan Caplan’s Myth of the rational voterReport
@MFarmer,
Its working out great. Liertarian policies work and educated technocrats would know this. Therefore they are more likely to prefer libertarian policies especially when their pay is pegged to the health of the economy (even if they are keynesians). Why do you think the singaporean economy has recovered while the american one is still in the doldrumsReport
@Murali, Singapore has conservatives running things? America has libruls?Report
@Murali,
I suppose you could call the PAP conservative. They are definitely socially conservative and tend to talk a lot of family values stuff. Economically, they tend to talk a lot of commie talk but generally do the opposite except when election time draws near, when they throw a few bones to the people.
But you realise that the conservative/libertarian/classical liberal position on the economy is not the populist one. People demand more welfare than the PAP is either willing to give or should give. Holding the correct position on almost any controversial issue is going to put you on the side of a minority of well informed (i.e. educated) elite. i.e. they are elite precisely because they are educated.Report
@Murali,
Also, singaporean politicians are fairly non-ideological. i.e. they have an ideology but may not necessarily be concious of it. With de-facto on party rule (The opposition has a handful of seats in an 80 seat parliament)Report
@robertcheeks- What a heartwarming slave owner.Report
@gregiank, “…look away, look away, look away Dixie land.”
Old Blue Light killed more Yankees than those Cincinnati whore houses ever did.Report
@Robert Cheeks, Give ’em the black flag Bob!Report
@Mike at The Big Stick, My goodness Mike, they only wanted to leave the Union? So, whas da problem? Mikie, who flew the black flag…Nathan Bedford Forrest?
BTW, I know his great-grandson!Report
@Robert Cheeks, Jackson wanted to fly the black flag from the first day of hostilities. He thought it would save lives in the long run.Report
@Mike at The Big Stick, I didn’t know that! I knew he wanted, badly, to have just one more division to finish the various and sundry flanking movements the old Second Corps produced with alarming regularity. One more division and he, or rather Marse Robert, would have taken The Army of the Potomac off the board.
Ah yes, the good old days!Report