A 4/20 Reminder

Jason Kuznicki

Jason Kuznicki is a research fellow at the Cato Institute and contributor of Cato Unbound. He's on twitter as JasonKuznicki. His interests include political theory and history.

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  1. Pat Cahalan says:

    Because someone has lost a child to drug addiction. And rather than do the hard analysis as to why this happened, and what it implies regarding you, your children, and your family dynamic, you crusade (note: that hard analysis might just lead you to realize you’re an okay parent, and your dead child was an okay child, and sometimes shit happens).

    Because crusading feels good. It feels like vengeance. It gives one purpose when a purpose is taken away.

    Politicians like righteous crusaders. Politicians like to think of the children. It encourages people on the Right to ignore the freedoms they generally champion (because we’re just trying to protect the children! It’s not a nanny state if it’s actually a nanny!) and encourages people on the Left to ignore the compassion they generally champion.Report

    • ThatPirateGuy in reply to Pat Cahalan says:

      @Pat Cahalan,

      Depends on the segment of the left you are talking about. Almost all of the left that I am personally familiar with thinks like Jason here while some of the right I am personally familiar with thinks that the current system is too lenient.

      In general I would expect that the more liberal and/or young someone is the less the they support the drug war.Report

  2. I think when the war started it seemed like a good idea. Drugs were destroying inner cities. Now we look back and realize that it was a catastrophic disaster. Sort of like Vietnam I guess.

    It looks like marijuana is heading in the legalization direction, at least in some states. I think we need to watch closely to see how this affects consumption, crime, etc and go from there. Certain drugs though are never going to see legalization. Meth and crack are just waaaay too addictive.Report

    • @Mike at The Big Stick, The War on Drugs started under the Nixon administration, the big idea of G. Gordon Liddy. Nixon created the DEA and strong-armed the government of Mexico into allowing it into the country for eradication of drug crops and so forth. Since the government of Mexico did not want foreign law-enforcement agencies on its territory, Nixon mounted Operation Intercept, which was a massive blockade of the border crossings. The economic price Mexico paid for two or three days of Operation Intercept was enough to convince them to go along.

      It seemed like a good idea at the time, to Nixon and Liddy, because it attacked the junkie-hippy-queer-commie-Jews who were protesting Nixon’s escalation of the war in Vietnam. It was never about saving the children, or whatever. It was about solving the problems of inner-city violence even less. If it had been, then it’s obvious how big a failure that was since inner-city violence is much worse today than it was back in the early ’70s, because of the war on drugs.Report

  3. Jaybird says:

    Prohibition (the first one) was very egalitarian. If the cops busted a speakeasy, they busted the patrons whether they were black or white, rich or poor. They busted the bartender. They busted everybody. If the mayor was there? They busted the mayor.

    This quickly led to the 21st Amendment.

    This time around, the cops are much, much smarter. For a while, they were only busting the poor, the minorities, and/or the stupid. If, for example, they caught the mayor, they’d work something out. If, for example, they caught a rich guy, they worked something out. If, for example, they caught a kid who was smart enough to mention that he had connections (a lawyer uncle, say…), their stuff would get confiscated and they’d get off with a warning (a friend of mine who was a former cop explained how he’d empty bags of weed into the wind, hand the plastic baggie back to the kid, and say “don’t litter”).

    This made everybody happy.

    The problem is that, in recent years, the police have gotten cocky and have started busting people who are sympathetic… instead of busting only the poor, they’ve started busting the middle class.

    Because of that, we’ll likely see California legalize pot come November and, once California makes a mint in revenues, all of the other states will fall in line.

    The reason we allowed Prohibition 2.0 to stand for as long as we did has everything to do with who was getting busted (and who was not getting busted).Report

    • ThatPirateGuy in reply to Jaybird says:


      From your mouth to gods ears.Report

    • Sam M in reply to Jaybird says:


      Exactly what Jaybird said. It all comes down to the question of who the “we” is. “We” don’t get sent to jail for selling/using drugs, and “we” don’t live in neighborhoods that are more like war zones because of turf wars. They do. And if they would just get their shit straight, they would be OK. But they won’t and it’s their fault.

      Until Johnny gets busted with a nickle bag, of course. At which point we make sure he gets “treatment” and we make sure he stops hanging out with them.Report

    • Rufus F. in reply to Jaybird says:

      @Jaybird, I agree with a lot of this, but I also wonder if the much increased prescription of psychoactive drugs isn’t also driving calls for legalization. It’s sort of ridiculous to tell middle class people that they’re going to have to take drugs from one branch of psychiatric drugs in order to function, but that another branch, which has many of the same effects, is immoral. When my (therapist) wife tells me about her clients taking Prozac for their panic attacks or stress, we both wonder if they shouldn’t just be smoking marijuana in the evenings.Report

      • Jaybird in reply to Rufus F. says:

        @Rufus F., I agree with a lot of this, but I also wonder if the much increased prescription of psychoactive drugs isn’t also driving calls for legalization.

        That and finding out that their favorite dispensary has been shut down by the cops.

        (Our local weekly rag has 6 (!) pages dedicated to ads where different dispensaries are begging you, the reader, to make them your caretaker. Free quarter ounce! Free joint Tuesdays! Show me this in 1993 and I would have started clucking and dancing. Looking at it in 2010, I can’t help but think something about copulating hippies.)Report

  4. @Mike at The Big Stick

    Except, the War of Drugs started well before drugs were “destroying the inner cities”–prohibitionist policies go well into the early part of the 20th century. Further, the reason that inner cities become the victims of drug violence is because the allure of quick riches are especially appealing to poor youths–that brings them into the drug trade (quick riches because of the black market in illicit drugs). Violence ensues as individuals form gangs to protect their profits and keep other sellers from encroaching on their territory and taking away their profits). The whole inner city drug problem is, in large measure, a direct result of the war on drugs, not the other way around.Report

  5. Roque Nuevo says:

    As harsh and uncompromising as your are against the war on drugs, you’re not going far enough.

    Drugs were not illegal until the early 20th century, or thereabouts and drugs were just as dangerous for those thirty-five thousand years of human history as they are now. For all those years nobody thought that drugs were bad. People thought drugs were good because they brought relief pain or because they were simply a lot of fun. We have been living through what is essentially an experiment in criminalization. The data is in and criminalization is a failure.

    Note that the rationale for criminalization was never that drugs are dangerous for individuals. They were supposed to be a danger for society as a whole, so therefore the federal government had a responsibility to “insure the domestic tranquility” by criminalizing them.

    You don’t hear this argument any more because the drug war has destabilized society far more than drugs ever did or ever could. So: the bait and switch. Now we hear about declining drug use, or increasing drug use, etc etc, and about the danger to the children, not about how drugs destroy society. If we want to debate the danger to society, then, it’s obvious that the war on drugs is doing that and not drug use itself.

    Legalizing marijuana possession, or possession of any other drug, is exactly the wrong way to go to solve this problem. This just removes the risk for drug use. Production and distribution are still felonies and still carry risk. Therefore, legalization will only increase the market for illegally-produced and distributed drugs. Legalization of possession will only increase the payoff for the drug gangs, meaning that legalization will only increase the violence as they fight for market share.

    The only way is to legalize all drugs, all the time. The only way is to trust common sense. If people could be responsible enough about drugs in ancient Greece and to create civilization then they can do it today.Report

    • Jason Kuznicki in reply to Roque Nuevo says:

      @Roque Nuevo,

      I can’t say I agree that drugs have always had the same level of dangerousness throughout all of history.

      Consider cocaine. The coca leaf is really quite innocuous. It numbs the mouth, suppresses the appetite, and gives a very mild feeling of stimulation. Purified cocaine, though, is highly addictive. Overdose on coca leaves would be very difficult, and I’m not even sure it’s ever happened. Overdose on injected cocaine is very easy.

      Still, none of this touches the argument that criminalization is a self-inflicted wound. Or that the best way to treat addiction is medically, not with prison time.

      Also, to clarify, I support a full legalization of all recreational drugs, including production, sale, possession, and use. Legalizing just possession and use would not at all end the drug war, and would do very little, if anything, to break the power of criminal gangs.Report

      • @Jason Kuznicki,

        I can’t say I agree that drugs have always had the same level of dangerousness throughout all of history.

        True, but not really relevant since the most dangerous drugs have been invented because of the drug war and the drug war was not invented to prevent the use of such drugs. Meth is the obvious example.

        Before meth and the like, other drugs were the “most dangerous.” Opium is probably the most dangerous of all and it has existed for millennium with no noticeable deleterious effects on society. At least, opium and all, the Greeks were able to create literature, art, music, and democracy under the effects of legal opium and so forth.

        The best way to treat addiction is by not getting addicted in the first place. How can we achieve that? Only by a culture that treats drugs as just another element of nature that one can use, or not, according to one’s needs and inclination, just like we do alcohol use. Today’s culture takes that away from people and says that they are just too stupid to use drugs responsibly. This flies in the face of human history before the drug war.Report

      • @Jason Kuznicki,

        I worked as a therapist in addiction treatment for 15 years. I can attest that treatment is far more effective than imprisonment. I still communicate with addicts who recovered 20 years ago — they have a good life that would have been wasted in prison.Report

  6. North says:

    I agree with everything you said Jason and would like to second Roque. If we were looking at this issue sensibly we would be working on full legalization.

    Nothing, repeat NOTHING, would kill the drug lords in South America and Mexico faster than a Trojan Condom equivalent of recreational drugs. Marijuana especially would be a spectacular decline, the stuff grows like a weed, and it’d probably be cheaper than tobacco when legalized even after a stiff tax to go into the state coffers. Corporate production would make drugs cheap and immensely safer than the ones consumed today and it’d give people someone to sue if the drugs turned out poisonous.

    The problem, alas, is one of heavily ingrained inertia and entrenched rent seeking interests. The DEA doesn’t want this war to end; they need appropriations to pay their wages. The prison unions don’t want this war to end; they need bodies to fill their prisons and keep their members working. The police don’t want this war to end; nothing is easier for making their quotas and boosting their performance numbers than bagging some pot users and tossing them in the clink at the end of the month. The social conservatives don’t want it to end; somewhere someone is enjoying themselves??? That’s Satan’s handiwork!! The Liberals don’t want it to end; the poor dears could hurt themselves and if we don’t have the right to tell them they can’t poison themselves how’re we ever going to get the right to tell them how to eat??!? That’s a few of the entrenched interests and that leaves us with the inertia. The citizenry has grown accustomed to the status quo and The Drugs offer a convenient scapegoat. I didn’t neglect/spoil/fail the fruit of my loins. The Drug came and turned them into a psychopath!

    I fear we may need to watch a couple more generations die off before the whole debacle comes to an end.Report

    • Roque Nuevo in reply to North says:


      Marijuana especially would be a spectacular decline, the stuff grows like a weed, and it’d probably be cheaper than tobacco when legalized even after a stiff tax to go into the state coffers.

      If marijuana cultivation were legal, the price would decline to where it would compete with epazote here in Mexico. Epazote is an herb most people use to flavor their frijoles down here. You can buy it in the market, or the supermarket, if you want to, where it costs about as much as cilantro. Hardly anyone does that though, because they can just go out to the back yard and pick some since it grows wild most places. If you don’t have any in your back yard, then you can just send your kid over to the neighbor’s to get some. As a last resort, you can go to the market and pay pennies for enough of the stuff to flavor kilos of frijoles. The government cannot tax epazote just like they can’t tax the geraniums growing in my window sill.

      The benefit for government in ending the war on drugs would not necessarily be in increased tax revenues but in decreased spending on the drug war. The government of Mexico could take the money it saves by legalization and spend it on providing clean water, electricity, phone networks, Internet, better roads and so forth to places that today are under the sway of the drug gangs—which is probably most of the national territory by now. This would add another benefit: integrate these places into the national life and therefore cut the insurgency off at the knees. This benefit would carry another immense benefit: political stability. Political stability would carry another benefit: people would be willing to take economic risks and create businesses that create jobs. This would carry another benefit: progress. The places that today are run by the drug gangs are places that have been outside the control of the state forever here in Mexico. They are the so-called traditional poor—the Indian communities and so forth. It isn’t a coincidence that these are the same places that generate most of the illegal immigration to the US. Therefore, calling off the drug war would have the added benefit of solving the illegal immigration problem because nobody is going to risk their life by going to the States if they have a chance to make it in their home town. Mexicans love Mexico, as strange as that may seem to you. They don’t want to leave but they have to if they want to survive and they don’t want to join a drug gang, or the Army, which is about the same thing anyway.

      The above is exactly how a legalization campaign should be marketed. It would solve the illegal immigration problem and improve the US economy that much more.Report

  7. Dan Summers says:

    I find the assertion that the War on Drugs is somehow to be laid at the feet of “The Left” perplexing, at best. Do I misremember the 80s, with the Nancy Reagan “Diff’rent Strokes” appearance and bag of crack wielded by George H. W. during prime time?

    If anything, the arguments for legalization are more likely to come from “the Left” (whatever that is), with an obvious nod to libertarians. It seems to be the “tough on crime” drug rhetoric and policy is almost entirely the work of “the Right.”Report

    • Jason Kuznicki in reply to Dan Summers says:

      @Dan Summers, is anyone seriously laying blame at the feet of the left?

      The only comments that mention “the left” either argued that it shares blame with the right, or that most people on the left really think just like I do.

      Now, if most people on the left really thought like I did, there would be no War on Drugs (because many people on the right are still libertarians!). So I can’t see that claim as an accurate depiction of the left. But it’s not an unflattering one, and it’s certainly not what you suggest.Report

      • @Jason Kuznicki, I think I misread a few of the comments in haste. On a second, more leisurely read I concur that most comments share the blame equally.

        Sorry for the error. Would it help if I said that I agreed with the post?Report

        • Jason Kuznicki in reply to Dan Summers says:

          @Dan Summers,

          It’s no biggie.

          Unfortunately, though, your agreement only adds to my perplexity. Here we are, spending so much money and ruining so many lives, with so little to show for it. Everyone who’s willing to take a public stand agrees on the facts. They all agree we’re not getting out of the War on Drugs anything like what we put into it.

          Why does the war continue?Report

          • ThatPirateGuy in reply to Jason Kuznicki says:

            @Jason Kuznicki,

            Inertia, fear, and propaganda. No politician wants to be “soft on crime” while the public is fed from grade school on a steady stream of fear. Then you have all the people pissed off at the drug related crime who see the crackhead steal their stereo and thus don’t have a lot of time for legalization arguments. Like a great many things it is stupid, dumb, and really hard to change.Report

    • North in reply to Dan Summers says:

      @Dan Summers,
      Dan, I’d say that it depends on how you look at the left. As long as it’s renegade hippies peddling the drugs the left’d probably be okay but if drugs became corporate, well watch out. I’d say the majority of the left’s support of the war on drugs is a fusion of the same line of thought that advocates for wars on obesity or wars on salt along with a more cynical and pragmatic acceptance of the fact that the general public isn’t going to look kindly on someone who can be accused of making it easier for their little treasures to get their hands on The Drug.

      Certainly I’d agree that the intellectual and emotional roots of the War on Drugs are sunk far more deeply on the right than on the left. But it remains a bipartisan fiasco.Report

      • Jaybird in reply to North says:

        @North, Certainly I’d agree that the intellectual and emotional roots of the War on Drugs are sunk far more deeply on the right than on the left.

        Really? I’m reminded of the Progressive Movement and Prohibition. Should I not be?Report

        • Roque Nuevo in reply to Jaybird says:

          @Jaybird, Exactly! Drug prohibition was the work of the original Progressives, who were fanatics about improving society with government regulation of private life.Report

          • North in reply to Roque Nuevo says:

            @Roque Nuevo, Yes Roque, but there was a very strong religious component to the temperance movement. In fact I’d assert that the only portion of the temperance movement to survive unscathed into modern times was the religious based portion of it.Report

            • Roque Nuevo in reply to North says:

              @North, This is true. The “very strong religious component” you mention was and is evangelical Protestantism. For some reason, their religion leads them to believe that God doesn’t want us to “depend” on substances other than God’s own grace. Something like that. Thus, drugs are bad, from the religious point of view, i.e., sinful. Otherwise, drugs can undermine productivity. Better to keep one’s nose to the grindstone for the greater good. This would be the Progressive take on drug use, so they could form an alliance with the religious fanatics.

              This religious component is so much a part of US history that one might say that it is US history, from the original religious fanatics in 1620 until today. They were in the forefront of the abolitionist movement before the Civil War, also because their religion made it necessary. Likewise, they could form an alliance with the Republican Party, who had other reasons for opposing slavery, i.e., it was unconstitutional in some vague way to deprive some people of their in inalienable rights. That’s just one more thing we owe the religious fanatics of this country.

              So it’s important to understand this religious point you’ve raised to understand our WoD. The original criminalization was based on such religious ideas, as well as the run-of-the-mill Progressive outlook.

              We share the Progressive outlook in our history with other nations as well, except that the Progressive drive to remake society from the top down took much more violent forms in other nations, for example the Bolshevik Revolution as well as the Mexican Revolution.

              What we don’t share with them is the religious and moral aspect of the WoD. People in Mexico never thought that drugs were bad before our morality was exported. Even today, women in the back country will eat peyote before trekking down to the river to wash clothes and so forth. It gets them through the day, so it has to be good, right? I’d like to see someone try and convince them otherwise. If there’s a plant out there that you can eat and it helps you withstand life’s stresses and strains, most people who are not evangelical Protestants will say, “gimme some!” and think no more about it.

              So the point you bring up is not only historical trivia. It’s integrated into the WoD because it forms part of the moral basis for the war. If we think of it this way, then we may see how the WoD is the most destructive and unthinking example of US imperial intervention there ever has been in Latin America. We exported our morality to a place where it is foreign and then we exported the violence needed to enforce this morality.

              The problem is that most people are not aware of this historical trivia. They take what they get and what they get is a degraded form of evangelical Protestant morality. But it’s insidious and it’s a great shame for the US. If there’s anything worth apologizing for, this is it. There is no justification for it at all and it has wreaked havoc on Mexico for more than a generation. Although I disagree with this morality and with the WoD, at least it’s American and therefore appropriate for America. In that sense, I can’t argue with it. People get the government they deserve, even if I don’t like it. But exporting it to Latin America is an act of white-man’s-burden-style imperialism that would be obviously out of date if it weren’t for the polemic nature of drugs. I’m still waiting for the government of Mexico to tell us to take this morality and shove it, along with the WoD.

              Today, the WoD is Mexico’s most important issue but if you asked anyone off the street, even a kid in grade school, what the country’s most important problem is drug use wouldn’t even be on the list. Poverty would be on everyone’s list, except for the President’s. Now the WoD undermines whatever attempt the government might make to fight poverty so Mexico’s endemic poverty will remain endemic for the foreseeable future. It generates a cynicism about government that is way beyond what you may encounter in the States. Today, the powers that be are not governmental powers but the narco. El Chapo Guzmán is running the country, not Calderón and his goal is anarchy, not good government. By the way, el Chapo was caught and imprisoned in a maximum security facility under Zedillo and he “escaped” under the new, happy life we have under Fox and the PAN. He’s on the Forbes list of the world’s richest men. The only hope is for Calderón to make some sort of deal with el Chapo and support him as he fights to control drug traffic in the whole country. Lately, el Chapo has forged alliances with other drug gangs and looks to be in position to win the war, even if Calderón and the US can’t. Then we could have the kind of peace that is imposed by an overwhelming power. But that kind of peace is inherently unstable and not something that leads to long-term development. Even this is beyond Calderón’s ability to manage. He will continue with a full-frontal assault on the drug trade until he leaves office. Most likely the PRI will win the presidency in 2012. They know how to run the Mexican railroad by playing power politics (i.e., realism). So after that, look for business as usual: the WoD recedes into sporadic violence, the government makes some high-profile arrests once in a while (and releases the criminals quietly soon after), gets money for the WoD out of the US Congress to plow back into the drug trade, etc etc.

              This might be just one more item on the list of third-world ineptitude, but it does not represent Mexican culture in the least. Mexicans are holding their noses to the grindstone like nobody in the States because they’re always just a step ahead of grinding poverty. It’s a very generous culture with solidarity for the next guy as part of daily life. All this corruption and evil is a US export, not Mexican at all. Mexicans have their own forms of corruption, of course, but nothing as destructive as this is.Report

            • Roque Nuevo in reply to North says:

              @Scott, You don’t have to exaggerate in such an infantile manner to make a point. I never said anything about a “paradise,” nor did I ever say, or even imply, that all of Mexico’s problems can be attributed to the US. Most of Mexico’s problems can be attributed to the Mexicans, especially in the Mexicans’ propensity to attribute all their problems to the US.

              On the other hand the WoD is not a Mexican institution. It was imposed on Mexico by extortion by Nixon, for his own domestic political reasons, not because of a desire to solve some bogus social problem. The WoD and—more importantly—the morality (or value system) it is based on is foreign to Mexico and this, too, was imposed on Mexico by the US.

              A clearer case of cultural imperialism is hard to find. A clearer example of the destruction caused by such cultural imperialism is equally hard to find. When this is all over (and it will be some day), the WoD will be a case study for high school students to learn about the concepts of cultural imperialism and the willful ignorance of the powerful.

              But enough about that. What’s your take on this? Is it Mexico’s fault that they produce the drugs to satisfy the US market? Would you say that people in Mexico should “just say no?” Well… they tried “just saying no” to Nixon but the power of the boycott is more than anyone can stand up to.

              In truth, the capitalist economy has always evolved by drug lords or their equivalents. Government control increases risk and therefore increases profits. People who want the most profit and are willing to take the most risks are the same people who invented capitalism in the first place. We owe them our lives today. Take the US, for example. The first WoD was by James I against the colonists of Virginia, who wanted to get rich marketing tobacco to Europeans. James “prohibited” such trade in such an evil drug. But the colonists persisted in their contraband and thereby invented new forms of business and made Virginia a very rich place to live.

              Today’s narco is no different in this respect. If I were a teacher in a business school, I’d make my students study their business models and practices (aside from the violence, of course). The drug trade is globalization on meth. Today’s narco is tomorrow’s genteel Virginia planter.

              The point is, economics is the key. People want drugs, have always wanted drugs, and will always want drugs. If people want something, then other people, the capitalists, will find a way to sell it to them, whether it’s tobacco or meth.Report

              • @Roque Nuevo, *Applause* Were it me in your shoes, I’d have just asked “Did you even read the rest of my post?” and left it at that.

                FWIW, I much prefer what you actually did here.Report

              • Scott in reply to Roque Nuevo says:

                @Roque Nuevo,

                No, you didn’t blame “all” of Mexico’s problems on the US. You did however blame all the corruption on the US. Or did I misquote you? Please correct me if I did. If it were up to me, I would make sure the US border was really secure. That way the US wouldn’t have to worry about the illegals or the drugs.Report

              • @Scott,

                > If it were up to me, I would make sure the US
                > border was really secure. That way the US
                > wouldn’t have to worry about the illegals or
                > the drugs.

                Good luck with that. Controlling the US border to the point of making it “really secure” is logistically impossible without an astronomically high cost.Report

              • @Scott, I said, “Mexicans have their own forms of corruption, of course, but nothing as destructive as this is [i.e., the corruption generated by the WoD]” I’d be pretty stupid to have blamed all the corruption on the US, wouldn’t I? Everybody knows that Mexican standards are a bit lacking, to put it mildly. I’ve been living here since way before you were even born, so saying such a thing would be just stupid of me. Are you calling me stupid?

                Your comment is an example of why you shouldn’t be in charge of this thing, even in a tangential way. How are you going to make the US border “really secure?” Unless you plan to put acid in the Mexicans’ water supplies, or you have secret Star-Wars weaponry, that can’t be done. Hell, the border between your house and the street is not even “really secure,” let alone thousands of miles of desert, across which the border runs.

                To make your house “really secure” you would have to eliminate anyone’s desire to ever break in. Then you’d be “really secure.” Likewise, to make the border “really secure” you’d have to eliminate the Mexicans’ desire to cross it illegally. Are you up to that? You can use your supply of acid and maybe implant chips in their brains and beam them messages like, “stay home. Don’t even think about crossing the border. You’ll die if you do” etc etc.

                Or… you can legalize growing pot. That would cut the legs out from under the drug gangs, which would allow Mexicans, corruption and all, to get on with the creation of their country by attracting investment, creating businesses, and so forth. This would create opportunities for people who today must either join a drug gang (via desertion from the Army) or go to the States to survive. In this situation, they’d just prefer to stay home because home is a lot better that what you’ve got up there, believe me. Then, like magic, the border is really secure because nobody wants to cross it illegally.Report

        • North in reply to Jaybird says:

          Nope, bring em up all you want Jay. Prohibition was heavily supported by social conservatives who were, at the time, powerful forces in both parties. In modern politics I would assert that the intellectual and emotional descendants of most of those advocates for prohibition have retreated into the right.
          Look it’s not like we can measure anything very strongly but I’d guess that the WoD is strongly supported by the social conservative wing and the neocon wing of the GOP which represents a good half (more?) of the base of said party.
          I’d guess that the WoD is strongly supported by the nanny staters of the Democratic Party which probably represents what… a quarter (Less?) Of the said party’s base. The Gays don’t like the WoD. The Ethnic minorities certainly don’t like it. The neoliberals don’t like it. The pragmatic DLC Dems support it but only as long as they think it’s a plus in the election. They’d drop it like a rotten banana in a heartbeat if they thought they could do so without punishment. The Feminists? I’d guess they’re mixed on it.

          So yes, absolutely, the WoD is bipartisan and historically was bipartisan but we can’t very well pretend that the sides haven’t evolved since prohibition. Seems to me that the passionate Drug Warriors are mostly on the right now, the cynical opportunistic Drug Warriors are more on the left.

          And of course none of this should obscure that the libertarians who’ve always opposed the WoD (even before it was cool) have mostly been a contingent of the right.Report

          • ThatPirateGuy in reply to North says:


            Here Here, This is exactly on point. You only forgot the secularist part of the left who I have found tend to line up with the anti-WoD groups.Report

          • Jaybird in reply to North says:

            @North, I’d guess that the WoD is strongly supported by the social conservative wing and the neocon wing of the GOP which represents a good half (more?) of the base of said party.

            I agree with this wholeheartedly.

            Maybe I’m misreading what you mean by intellectual and emotional roots of the War on Drugs.

            I’d guess that the WoD is strongly supported by the nanny staters of the Democratic Party which probably represents what… a quarter (Less?) Of the said party’s base.

            This strikes me as untrue… if only because of how Obama and the Dem Congress/Senate has acted. Perhaps they don’t have the whole “we need to make sure people don’t hurt themselves/eachother/THE CHILDREN” thing as much as the “we need to protect the prison guard unions/police forces” thing…

            But, sure. I’m probably misreading what you meant by intellectual and emotional roots.Report

            • ThatPirateGuy in reply to Jaybird says:


              I would have been more dissappointed with Obama on drugs if I thought he was ever going to have addressed the issue but I think it is rather clear that he has other priorities. I think your comments about dem’s complicity apply to the actual politicians but not to most of the voters/supporters.Report

            • North in reply to Jaybird says:

              @Jaybird, I’ve not heard anyone from the Democratic party advocate for the WoD in terms of keeping prison guards or cops employed. If you have feel free to point them out so I can denounce them with scorn and vitriol. Now by nanny staters I mean people for whom nanny state-ism is their primary concern. I am well aware that there are subveins of nanny stae-ism that runs through the party’s other factions but I think there’s a specific regulation is vital type of busy body for whom promoting the good of others through government rules (whether they like it or not) is their primary identifier and those would be the nanny-staters I’m referring to.

              The term “emotional and intellectual” roots is pretty sloppy writing on my part Jay. I was thinking strictly in the present tense for instance. Let me rub my chin a little and try and reword my assertion.
              I think support for the WoD traces its origin back to the same social conservatism that animated the right back during prohibition. I think that the left also supports the War on Drugs but that outside of the afore-defined nanny-state wing of the party this support is either due to inertia or cynical political calculation. I think, therefore, and have the impression that the majority of the passion and the majority of the intellectual support of the present War on Drugs are rooted in the right.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to North says:

                @North, well, this is where I start sounding crazy. The prison guards can’t come out and say “no, we need it to stay illegal so we can keep our phony baloney jobs”.

                They have to adopt nanny language. Same with the cops.

                Think about the children, they’ll say. Why won’t anyone think about the children, they’ll ask. Marijuana use and getting behind the wheel of a truck will kill animals, children, and the elderly disproportionately. Do you not love animals, children, and the elderly? And so on.

                “I was thinking strictly in the present tense for instance.”

                Oh, in that case, I’d say that the majority of people who feel really strongly one way or the other fall into the following categories:

                1) Right Wingers who are the 90-years later version of Progressives and they are very, very much against it. This group is approximately X% of the population.
                2) Left Wingers and Libertarians who want it gotten rid of for reasons that have nothing to do with each other. This group is approximately Y% of the population and Y Y.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to North says:

                @North, Holy cow.

                They interpreted *EVERYTHING* between my “is less than” and my “is greater than” as a tag.Report

              • North in reply to North says:

                @North, Man that sucks because I think I was with you up until you went YY on me. Maybe you’re gonna have to spell it out? Don’t give up Jay me lad.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to North says:

                @North, of course, it doesn’t show up in source. Why would it?

                This group is approximately Y% of the population and Y is less than X..
                3) People for whom this issue is number eleven or twelve on their list of reasons to vote. Half of them will listen to the people who talk about The Children and they will feel bad about gramma’s glaucoma and they will studiously ignore their own (hazy) memories of enjoying a doob and the other half will shrug and remember their own (hazy) memories of enjoying a doob or they’ll think about gramma’s glaucoma and they’ll shrug when they think about The Children… but X remains greater than Y.

                There. That wasn’t as good as my first version.Report

              • North in reply to North says:

                Yeah Jay that makes sense to me. It’s all about institutional and especially especially cultural inertia.Report

  8. Mopey Duns says:

    I find it interesting that it is often the same people who worry about governmental overreach and corporations expanding their hold over consumers that seem oblivious to the dangers inherent in the legalization of drugs.

    I’ll start from a simple premise; you can either legalize everything, or legalize just the soft drugs, like marijuana. Now, legalizing marijuana might be a good thing, in that it would keep people out of jail who most likely do not merit imprisonment, but it would not end the criminal activity surrounding drugs. As a general rule, the harder and nastier the drug, the harder and nastier the activities surrounding its trade and use. So lets pretend that we are legalizing absolutely everything, as Jason and others seem to be advocating. Production, transit and distribution have to happen through the Government, or through corporations, presumably with heavy government oversight to make sure dosages and whatnot are carefully regulated.

    So lets say private corporations earn the right to sell meth, pcp, heroin, cocaine, ecstacy, what have you, to the public. We worry about the addictive qualities of tobacco. Hell, just last week the League was discussing the evils of the addictive qualities of fast food in the link to the Ambinder article. Is no one else slightly uncomfortable with the idea of legal corporations having the kind of hold these drugs could give them? Remember, if its legal, you can’t sic the cops on them. Corporations seek to maximize profits. Look at what Big Tobacco has done. If you let them distribute it, they will market it, and they will try to get as many people as they can using. Not a big difference from what drug dealers do now, I suppose, except the process will be more respectable, and more people will be sucked in.

    Alternatively, for those of you who don’t trust big business, we could always let the government do it. I hope I am not the only one who is freaked out by this possibility. If you feel that you trust government’s to hold people’s best interests in mind, think of the British Opium Wars. Think of the dependant voting constituency that a few million people getting their smack from the government would constitute. Think of the temptation that the revenue from this would represent. These thoughts make me uneasy.

    Now, it may be that this tradeoff is worth it; that we as a society would prefer the evils of corporations or the government hawking meth and heroin to the public rather than the current debacle of the war on drugs, with the destruction of civil liberties and the drug-fueled violence it entails. Those are truly horrible things. But let us not pretend that the total legalization of drugs is a panacea for all of society’s ills. I get uneasy when people wax eloquent on anything without even throwing a token thought to the other hand.Report

    • Pat Cahalan in reply to Mopey Duns says:

      @Mopey Duns,

      I don’t know that this is an appropriate comparison.

      You can legalize possession of drugs. You can legalize use of drugs. You can legalize the manufacture (or agricultural production) of drugs on a personal level.

      None of this says that you therefore need to legalize the production, distribution etc., of drugs.

      You want to grow a pot plant? Go ahead. Smoke it if you like. You want to grow acres of pot plants? Nope, tough patootie.

      You don’t have to open up drug production and distribution to for-profit companies, with all the licensing, regulation, etc., that would come part and parcel with such a decision. You can just stop criminalizing people growing the stuff in their backyard.

      Now, you may *want* to throw drug production and distribution up to the free market for all sorts of other reasons, of course, but there are more options here than “Continue the War on Drugs” or “Make All Drugs open to the Market”.Report

      • Mopey Duns in reply to Pat Cahalan says:

        @Pat Cahalan,

        While I respect your point, and it does apply to a certain extent to drugs like marijuana, I do need to make a few comments.

        First, I addressed full legalization because that is what I thought Jason was discussing. If I was wrong, I am sure he will correct me.

        Second,while you can legalize the personal production of marijuana, this simply isn’t possible for most drugs. One, legalization implies the imposition of quality standards, for obvious reasons; otherwise, we risk the equivalent of going to drink a beer and instead winding up with a stomach full of vodka (or potentially, wiper fluid). Two, a lot of drugs cannot be manufactured at home, safely or at all. Meth falls in the second category. Heroin and Cocain fall under the first. They require transit and distribution, and this requires big cartels. If you don’t provide this, nothing changes; illegal gangs will still reap the profits of production and transit.

        So, while I might agree with you that your solution will work (usefully, I might add), for the War on Pot, it is a bust for solving the larger problem.Report

        • ThatPirateGuy in reply to Mopey Duns says:

          @Mopey Duns,

          Wouldn’t we be able to treat it like either tobacco or prescription drugs?

          We could ban advertising for it put age limits etc. All of this would be better for everyone involved than the drug war.

          Meth and other rather awful drugs would be less damaging if the user were monitored by a doctor rather than left by themselves in condemned buildings with other strung out people.Report

        • Jason Kuznicki in reply to Mopey Duns says:

          @Mopey Duns, I do support full legalization, including the various degrees of commercialization that would inevitably result. I would sooner have a dangerous trade like this one out in the open and managed, even by slick, slimy corporations, than leave it to the gangs.

          Also, keep in mind that the “War on Pot” is the overwhelming majority of the entire War on Drugs. It’s by far the most popular illegal drug. More resources go to fighting it than any other. More are in prison for it than any other. Gangs get more of their funding from pot than anything else. Cocaine, heroin, and meth may get the press, but marijuana is where the real war is.Report

          • Mopey Duns in reply to Jason Kuznicki says:

            @Jason Kuznicki,

            The highest number I have seen cited for pot arrests is just over a third of the total. This is from a pro-legalization source, so take it for what its worth. Also, this does not distinguish between arrests, convictions, and sentences received, which I think is a huge impediment to the whole discussion. Again, pot is big business, but it is not the whole story. But if you have different numbers, please let me know.

            All that being said, I agree with you that the USA has a wrong-headed approach to marijuana possession that is out of synch with the actual harm done. Even if it is not fully legalized, the punishments should be relaxed, if only to avoid criminalizing otherwise law-abiding users.

            Anyway, I think I’ve gotten away from the point I wanted to make. The point is there is a tradeoff to be made in legalization, and I just like to hear the advocates of legalization acknowledge and grapple with that tradeoff.Report

        • Pat Cahalan in reply to Mopey Duns says:

          @Mopey Duns,

          > First, I addressed full legalization because
          > that is what I thought Jason was discussing.

          Fair ’nuff.

          > Second,while you can legalize the personal
          > production of marijuana, this simply isn’t
          > possible for most drugs.

          This is somewhat debatable, but on a meta-level, most drugs that are now present in the recreational market have been developed and produced under the market forces that have shaped the market itself.

          So sure, you have lots of drugs that require a decent chem lab and proper safety procedures to make correctly (e.g., meth, LSD due to ether use, etc). You also have lots of drugs that don’t require a chem lab or proper safety procedures to make correctly (e.g., pot, mescaline).

          Now, if you legalize personal production (of those things that can be made or grown by non-idiots), there may still be the case that people will want designer drugs, and a designer drug market will still exist.

          However, it’s been proposed on this thread that one of the reasons we have the drugs we currently have is due to the War on Drugs. If you buy the premise (not saying I necessarily do, granted), it follows that a large part of the demand for recreational drugs can undoubtedly be met by decriminalization of some of the drugs that are currently illegal.

          One way or the other, I don’t see the voting public to ever agree to decriminalize PCP, for example, any more than they’d agree to decriminalize tank weaponry. Whether or not this constitutes a reasonable infringement on personal liberty is a different debate, that’s just the practical reality on the ground.

          Whether or not the problem then remains can be addressed when you get to that bridge, no?Report

    • Jason Kuznicki in reply to Mopey Duns says:

      @Mopey Duns,

      Not all drugs are equal, I’ll grant. But I don’t agree that “the harder and nastier the drug, the harder and nastier the activities surrounding its trade and use.” Consider two examples.

      First, marijuana. Marijuana is as harmless as any smoked psychoactive could possibly be. You can even eat it if you don’t like the health effects of smoking. Use tends strongly to be self-limiting. It’s not physically addictive. It doesn’t make users more violent. Overdose is physically impossible.

      And yet the Mexican drug gangs are right at this moment involved in something approaching a full-scale war, largely over the marijuana trade. A very nasty business indeed.

      Next consider propofol.

      Propofol is a very nasty drug. It killed Michael Jackson among others. Overdose is very easy. It often causes total amnesia, making it a candidate for all kinds of date-rape and other crime scenarios. It’s also been reported as physically addictive, as if the rest were not enough.

      Yet propofol is legal. Gangs don’t distribute it. Drug companies do, and these are closely watched (as they should be) to ensure purity and dose. As a result, I am unaware of any deaths resulting from the propofol trade (as opposed to propofol use). And many people receive propofol under close medical supervision, where it is a useful anesthetic.

      Marijuana is a nice drug with a nasty business model. Propofol is a nasty drug with a nice business model. The difference is legalization.Report

      • Mopey Duns in reply to Jason Kuznicki says:

        @Jason Kuznicki,

        I take your point, Jason. I think I love a good turn of phrase too much, sometimes.

        Nevertheless, I have to point out a couple of things. While marijuana is big (billions of dollars big) business, and violent, the Mexican cartels are still mostly about cocaine distribution. You can’t untie the two meaningfully. Again, while legalization of marijuana might hurt their bottom line, it will not end the drug violence. Now, I happen to be pretty indifferent to legalization personally, and I agree that it would be a step in the right direction for dealing with some of the more egregious civil rights violations associated with the War on Drugs. But my concern is with the harder and more addictive drugs.

        As far as propofol goes, my first thought is that it sounds like something that should be illegal. However, I think it is a bit of a red herring in the discussion. Although the link you provided does not seem to say, it seems that use of the drug simply isn’t all that broad. More importantly, it doesn’t sound all that pleasant, or like the kind of thing people would use recreationally (on themselves, not as a roofie). That makes it of questionable use for this discussion. Again, I am more concerned about the legalization of the widespread hard drugs; heroin, cocaine, meth, etc.Report

        • Jason Kuznicki in reply to Mopey Duns says:

          @Mopey Duns,

          I’m having trouble finding it at the moment, but I recall Mark Kleiman as my source that we spend more on marijuana interdiction than cocaine interdiction. We certainly have more marijuana offenders in prison. I’ll continue to look for this, but my sense is that marijuana is the big fish, and everything else is (at least currently) fairly small.

          As to nice versus nasty drugs, I admit I could have chosen a better example. In fact, I’ll do so now.

          Consider nitrous oxide. Lots of people use it recreationally, unlike my previous example. Some people have even died from overdoses, mostly through oxygen deprivation. (Never use nitrous in a way that deprives you of good old oxygen!)

          Nitrous oxide has several legitimate uses, and it’s legally available in pure forms that recreational users can obtain.

          While it’s true that nitrous is never marketed as a recreational drug, it’s blindingly obvious that all those cartridges that fly off the grocery store shelves aren’t being made into whipped cream. Their manufacturers may have to pretend ignorance, but they’re not fooling anyone. This keeps the trade legal and the users go right on using, with no violence that I’m aware of.

          Fair enough?Report

        • Max Socol in reply to Mopey Duns says:

          @Mopey Duns,
          “While marijuana is big (billions of dollars big) business, and violent, the Mexican cartels are still mostly about cocaine distribution.”

          This is 100% false.

          Cartels earn nearly 70% of their profits from marijuana alone. Please read that sentence again.

          In the 80’s cartels may have been more deeply invested in the cocaine trade, but since production networks in Colombia were smashed, they have reformed in Mexico and now deal almost exclusively in marijuana. And by the way, they don’t grow pot in Mexico and smuggle it. They grow it right here in the States, in national forests and other public lands. Much easier than smuggling.

          If this is news to you, you have no business whatever waxing on about the perils of drug legalization. Sorry.

          It doesn’t take an economics degree to connect the dots: legalizing marijuana alone would completely dismantle smaller cartels, and cripple the capacity for violence of the major players.Report

          • Mopey Duns in reply to Max Socol says:

            @Max Socol,

            Max, after checking, you are right on the numbers. Although the sources I saw were slightly lower, they still indicated marijuana was over 50% of the business for the Mexican cartels, so I was dead wrong on that.

            In my defence, being from Canada, I don’t care much about Mexican marijuana on a personal level.Report

          • Roque Nuevo in reply to Max Socol says:

            @Max Socol, Just to stick my nose in here for a minute to quibble with you. I agree with you in general, which is gratifying for me:

            They certainly do grow a lot of pot here in Mexico. Usually it’s just bagweed, to use the term of art, but lately the cartels have been getting into growing more upmarket strains. They can get the seeds from Holland easily and they have the land to get into mass production. I didn’t know that they didn’t grow the stuff for export here. Where did you get that info?

            Even if they don’t grow it for export, whatever they can sell on the domestic market is what allows them to make the payroll. It pays the bills and even if a shipment is confiscated or a plot of land is attacked by the Army, the fact that they own the land makes their losses much less than if a cocaine shipment were seized. Here, they lose everything. With pot, they just lose the pot and there’s a lot more where that came from.

            This means that if growing pot were legal, even if only for personal use, the bottom would fall out of their business model. Nobody would be able to sell it at all, let alone at today’s inflated prices. People are smart enough to grow their own designer pot, if that’s what they want. I can see a business possibility in selling designer seeds, but that doesn’t sound like anything these drug lords would be interested in. Legalization might destroy the smaller cartels, like you say, although I’ve never heard of the smaller ones, but the larger ones would have to move out to stay in business.

            They’ll obviously move to California, where possession is practically legal and as a result demand is increasing. The risks are therefore greater for growing pot but the profits will be all that much greater as well.

            Therefore, this is the only rational course for Mexico to follow. It means becoming self-sufficient in pot production by getting the drug gangs to leave the country.

            This leaves me with my quibble: legalization of pot here in Mexico would not cripple the cartels capacity for violence. It would only transfer that capacity to the States, where it’s likely to become worse. Calderón’s WoD has had the effect of elevating the cartel’s enforcers, or sicarios as they’re called here, to the leaders of the cartels themselves, replacing the administrators. The Zetas is a good example of this. They began as the enforcers for one of the cartels but now they are a cartel in and of themselves. The Familia Michocana has a similar history. This is one reason that the violence has gotten more indiscriminate here lately. With the out-of-control sicarios in control of vast revenue, you get out-of-control violence.

            These groups are highly-trained, in many cases by the US under its policies of cooperation with the Mexican authorities, and in others by the Mexican Army. The desertion rate of the Mexican Army is off the charts because the cartels actively and even publicly recruit them. They are not just some goons with AK-47s. They are trained military formations with military weaponry now, like grenade launchers, high explosives, machine guns and even helicopters. They have broken hundreds of their prisoners out of Mexican jails by coordinated attacks using just such weapons.

            I don’t know if I have to go ahead and spell out the scenario here, but anyhow… The US police is no match for these cartels (except for SWAT formations and so forth). The point is, this is coming to your country whether you want it or not. That’s where the profits are.

            How can you prevent this? There is only one way: legalize growing pot before the Mexicans wake up and do it first. If that doesn’t happen, the rug is pulled out from under US national security policy. We’d be fighting an insurrection in California along with Iraq, Afghanistan, etc etc. Like you say, they already have outposts in the States as it is, so even without Mexico’s legalizing anything, my little scenario looks likely.Report

            • North in reply to Roque Nuevo says:

              @Roque Nuevo,
              *sigh* and all this over some crap that probably has a free market economic value in the neighborhood of dried hedge trimmings.Report

            • Max Socol in reply to Roque Nuevo says:

              @Roque Nuevo,
              Yeah, not sure where you were getting the idea that I was suggesting legalization of pot in Mexico. I am definitely talking about legalization in the US, and I’m certain that it would follow shortly in Mexico. (Probably not until after Calderon is defeated, but that can’t be too far off.)

              I also wasn’t saying that cartels aren’t growing plenty of pot in Mexico, and I do know that some of it does get smuggled. I’m just assuming that I am working with a low-information audience (cartels make most of their money on coke? Jesus…) and trying to shock them into reality. Pointing out that cartels are growing on US soil with impunity usually does that.

              You have the rest of the formula right. Legalizing pot lowers prices and channels business to legit grow operations in the western US. The bottom drops out of the single largest source of funding for cartels, and suddenly instead of rolling in armor plated humvees shooting AK’s, scaring the army, they’re back to a bag of handguns and a couple of train tickets to split between them.Report

              • Roque Nuevo in reply to Max Socol says:

                @Max Socol, I think that I was much too optimistic about saying that without revenue from pot, the Mexican cartels would lose their bottom line. For sure, they would take a hit, but, in thinking it over, I find that, cutting-edge entrepreneurs as they are, they would more likely move into other contraband businesses to keep the meth and cocaine pipeline running up to the States.

                As it is today, drug money is the second or third source of revenue in Mexico, right behind oil and ahead of tourism. Not far behind is the piracy industry. Mexico is piracy heaven, where DVDs of the latest movies are on sale even before they hit the theaters at something like $2.50/three DVDs anywhere in the country. Aside from DVDs, brand piracy is also very popular here. I just bought a Chanel handbag for my sister-in-law, for example, for about five bucks.

                All this is also run by the narco, as are the burgeoning strip clubs/table dance/brothels in every major city of the country and along all its highways.

                So yes, legalizing pot here in Mexico would hurt the narco but now I’m not so sure if it would cripple them. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I think it wouldn’t. They’re where they are today because they know how to exploit the risks involved in illegal business for huge profit. Pot is far from the only illegal business out there. The narco is not stupid and they’ll find a way out if worse comes to worst and pot is legalized.

                By the way, Mexican law does not allow a president to be reelected so Calderón is out in 2012 no matter what. As I wrote that, I felt the usual pang of despair: That’s two years away! But, if you meant “until the PAN is defeated,” then you’re right. It looks like a sure thing that they’re going down in 2012. After twelve years of ruining the nation, it’s hard to imagine anyone but diehard Christian Democrats voting for them and these are a rare breed here. Aside from the drug war, Calderón has presided over the H1N1 scare, in which he effectively shut the country down for six weeks last spring, causing untold losses for business and the economy as a whole. His latest “anti crime” measure is to have all cell phone users register with the Interior Ministry or lose their service. It’s easy to do with only a text message, but that’s just for those of us lucky enough to be in the middle classes. Those outside will lose their phones. This is on top of Mexico having some of the world’s highest phone rates.

                The only real debate about Calderón here is whether he is a fool or an idiot. His nickname here is Fecal, which is short for Felipe Calderón. The word is a cognate with the English. I think he’s a fool, but a lot of people disagree with me and say he’s an idiot. He had his chance to make his mark here and wasted it foolishly on the drug war. On the other hand, his opening salvo in the drug war was fired at his home state of Michoacán. Maybe a month after his inauguration, the Army invaded Michoacán on search-and-destroy missions. He was born and raised there; he was elected to Congress there and so forth. He said, “Thanks, michoacanos!” by invading. That seems idiotic to me, so, in the end, I really can’t say whether he’s a fool or an idiot.Report

              • Max Socol in reply to Max Socol says:

                @Max Socol, Even as I wrote the sentence about Calderon I thought “geez, I really don’t know much about electoral politics in Mexico. Maybe I should google…?” Then I remembered I’m a no-account blogger and just made it up. Thanks for the correction.

                I’m sure the cartels will find other ways to make money. The question for me is whether they’ll be able to find ways to make as much money. Based on the numbers that I have seen, I think demand for cocaine and other hard drugs would need to go way up in the US to even come close to replacing the lost revenue from pot, and I just don’t see that happening. Americans have a long and close relationship with marijuana that doesn’t hold for other drugs (aside from alcohol, caffeine, and nicotine). There have been and always will be spikes in usage of those other drugs, but marijuana is a phenomenon unto itself.

                As for non-narcotic alternatives — piracy, human trafficking, counterfeiting, whatever — I don’t see it, either. I know cartels already do all this stuff, but is there room for much expansion in any of these areas? They are all either high risk or low reward, not nearly as economic as drugs. I also wonder whether cartels making less money (post-marijuana legalization) would be able to expand any more than they already have. The most powerful among them already own sizable tracts of Mexican territory, not to mention government and military officials on both sides of the border. If they were able to handle the logistics of expanding these operations, don’t you think they already would have?

                For me, I have to do the simpler math. The cartels are tearing Mexico to pieces, and beginning to do the same to the southwestern US. We have a button we can push that will — at least temporarily — put a stop to this process, in addition to repairing a laundry list of other social ills. I don’t think worries that the cartels will rebound have much of a role in that decision — they are too speculative, and the cartels already too dangerous.Report

  9. The gods rub salt in the wounds for the sake of positioning says:

    The gods have no no genetalia. Sex is purely temptation. The gods reproduce with cloning. Any child who ascends enjoys this absence as well and one of the clues they send with this Situation. They share their ultra-extreme conservative views on sex, how they use society to promote sexual temptation, poisoning the minds and bodies of the disfavored.
    Throughout human history women have been the enforcers of decency, and it has worked very well among those not grossly disfavored (Italian, etc). Now that they have embraced so many male sexual charecterisitics everything this structure has desinigrated.
    Throughout history women have been the enforcers of decency. In the 20th century the god’s policy of societal deterioration has compelled women to abandon their traditional roles, embracing the typical sexual pathology of males, which is why women will ultimately be responsible for societal decay and the end of Planet Earth.
    And that’s why the gods destroyed the Mediterreanean with the Noah’s Flood event::::They treat their women like shit, and the gods transferred this patriarchal pathology to Europe and the rest of the world with the Catholic Church.

    A good example of societal decay and how the gods manage their culpability is birth defects. In the past the gods occassionally punished people by divinely creating birth defects in the womb. Now, with the advent of biotechnology, they tempt the mother with “earning” and compell her to take a substance in utero which deforms the fetus dispelling the gods of blame and future compensation. Incidentally, the use liberal policies to pay for these individuals, ensuring a lifetime wasted, for they have no hope for progress. Too often in the past they were mercifully killed and brought back without this handicap, allowing them a chance to achieve progress.
    The gods are washing their hands of culpability.
    The gods are washing their hands of Planet Earth.

    The gods used this temptation of biotechnology very effectively to accomplish many purposes::::
    1. To achieve desired results in individual disfavored’s lives.
    2. To wash their hands of culpability and blame, for in eras prior the gods have been required to accept liability when instructing AI to alter/deform an individual (see above).
    3. The phenominal profits/dividends/rate of growth of biotechnology organizations served as very effective temptation to many, including people without a conscious, mutual fund managers desperate to balance their losses/lousy performance, and to fund managers of disfavored retirement groups the gods wanted to intentionally “dirty up”. It was so prevasive in years past it ensures we will ALL pay because of our involvement in this investment::::A population which deserves what it is getting.

    If not for the Holocaust the Germans may have suceeded.
    More accurately said, the gods hands would have been tied and the positive goals of the Third Reich would have dictated triumph.
    The Holocaust ensured we were delivered into this sick age of societal decay.

    They sent a clue about the Fourth Reich with the Buffalo Bills comeback against the Houston Oilers wildcard game 1992. Note they won the battle but lost the war (Super Bowl).
    “The Fourth Reich failed::::The Earth has to die.” But you can’t put the cat back into the bag.
    The Third Reich was our last chance. And the Holocaust guarenteed it would fail.

    The Japanese Earthquake/tsunami was outstanding punishment. The gods HAMMERED these people, and the nuclear dynamic they experience today was punishment for their evil in WWII and throughout history. They were MONSTERS to their neighbors and this is reflected in the nuclear holocaust ocurring in Japan today.
    Unit 731:::TSUSHOGO is one example of Japanese behavior which the gods punish with this nuclear accident. Also known as the Chinese Holocaust, the ugliness of this meltdown is direct punishment for this behavior and similar behavior throughout their imperialistic history.
    Incidentally, shortly after the earthquake they reported problems with MULTIPLE power plants within Japan, but now we only hear of Fukushima.
    The Japanese will make great efforts to hide the damage from their primary customer base in the United States, so you would be wise to distrust the information offered in the media. Proof::::The gods will not allow restaurants/grocery to advertize they do not offer Japanese products:::::”NO JAPANESE PRODUCTS.”, “ALASKA FISH ONLY.”, etc.

    Tax havens for US corporations. Some little more than PO Boxes.
    Greed and immorality have been legalized in the United States.
    Life’s not fair. I can accept that. I have no choice with the maliciousness the gods have inflicted upon me.
    The gods dictate low tax rates in Ireland to inflict with the wealth similar to that hurting the US. Expect they sell many of the executives on “earning” with their relocation.
    Ireland has lost something very important recently, and the numbers who ascend has plummetted. More who entered clone hosting, far less who ascend into heaven.
    “You’re not going to want to be here (on this planet).” Little good. Why else did this happen to me, placed in that family?
    All the times the gods deliberately crossed the line further suggests.
    I’m sure clone hosting is in my future (life).

    There is a reason why people have “enjoyed” peasantry throughout human history, subject to the god’s whim through natural disasters. Ireland’s Potato Famine is a good example. And even if they used poison to force immigration for war recruiting in the United States doesn’t mean the gods didn’t do it. They just aren’t taking blame.
    And why white Europeans in America were the first to enjoy wealth and comfort of the United States, with Italians leading the pack. But you should know that, with xtianity feeding right into this problem of irresponsibility and something for nothing.

    Desecrate the gods.
    Compromised their integrity, claiming it was “temptation” instead of blatant lies.
    Now I don’t want to bother writing a desecration paragraph, trying to capture how you use positioning as a cloak, enabing you to execute your unholy will.
    I was pushed into everything in this life and I would bet the same is true in the last. But what the fuck, someone had to be the sacrificial lamb.
    Immoral. Dirty, immoral whore motherfuckers. I despise the gods.
    If just and I deserve this “cradle to grave” abuse then I am The Damned and they should have left me to my Damnation. If unjust the gods are a waste of time. Either way they are immoral and debase indecent shit, using their positioning to provide cover to execute their will.
    The gods are not pure, not in things they say and not in things they do. They will use “temptation” to achieve their goals then try to desceive people about its intent.

    Gods have no no genetalia. Share their ultra-extreme conservative views on sex, how they use society to promote sexual temptation, poisoning the minds and bodies of the disfavored.
    Throughout human history women have been the enforcers of decency, and it has worked very well among those not grossly disfavored (Italian, etc). Now that they have embraced so many male sexual charecterisitics everything this structure has desinigrated.

    As people learned of the gods methodology in the 20th century the gods made things more difficult to understand with liberalism and preditory “earning” behavior.
    With the advent of this Situation people have learned much more, and the gods willexact a price for this knowledge. Perhaps that will be the deterioration into immoral behavior, as we witness in my life, or perhaps a different way to make progress more difficult.

    Unit 731:::TSUSHOGO was a clue from the gods about this Situation dating way back to World War II. They used their positioning to hide these Japanese atrocities, and blamed me for burying the Chinese Holocaust.
    TSUSHOGO says something:::It speaks to the responsbility the Italains had for WWII, the Holocaust and for those people’s involvement in the intentional destruction and exploitation of my life, both for the god’s REAL reason and their positioning’s reason, buried with their “respectable” multinational corporation client list.

    Budget problems. Cut the military. Bring them home and end the wars. Let these countries experience self-determination and decide their own future. Didn’t we learn this lesson in Vietnam???
    Unfortunnately, the gods use the United States as one of their tools, using the spread of democracy to level the playing field and prepare the planet for a global event.

    So many people don’t care about global warming. They don’t care about the Federal deficit/debt (outside of partisanship) and they don’t care earning $400k for an $80,000/year job will eventually bankrupt the country. They have awarded themselves $400k pay and retirement packages, loading up their friends on the payroll during the boom 90s through the real estate bust while all services which the program were intended to fund now get cut to pay for it.
    These people are often common public university labor. Not Ivy League, not private university.
    This labor isn’t good enough to command the salaries they are earning. And they understood this when they applied to the public university they settled on.
    You can’t expect a top-tier salary with a second-rate education.
    In addition, public employment has earned the label of being “recession-proof” jobs, a benefit which was taken into consideration with lower pay packages as compared to corporate.
    These are the people who will be here in the United States when bankruptcy is declared and society deteriorates into chaos. And they will deserve the anarchy which ensues.
    Cap public sector salaries. Let them earn that salary in the public sector. Few of these people are worth even half what they earn. Increasing the sales tax rate to over 10% to pay for their $300k-$400k salary is a BIG, BIG mistake. It will hurt the economy and compell people to refrain from expenditures.

    Continuing the push for privatization, reinforced and supported recently with enormous public sector salaries and retirement packages.
    Once achieved the gods will utilize the corruptive predisposition of the private sector economy, as seen with the sub-prime/bailout fiasco, to initiate economic catastrophy and initiate the bankruptcy proceedings of the United States.
    Whether the cure for cancer/diseases or the permanant resolution of economic misery, before the gods remove these motivations to pray we will experience an inordinate deluge of each element, with economic misery being perhaps the dissallusion of the united States with bankruptcy.

    The gods used the Italians to ruin life in the 20th century.
    The gods used the Italians to ruin life in A.D. with The Church.
    The Church controlled Western Civilization. As the largest land owner in Europe they controlled the monarchies. The Italian men who ran the Church were responsbile for slavery, crack babies and thug life/drive-bys, revenge for African invasion and rape of Italy. They created religious and social discontent through the Church, ultimately leading to the disfavored dumping ground known as the United States.

    Color photographs shortly after the 4.16.06 San Francsico Earthquake found.
    They deserved it. Just like New Orleans deserved it.
    Sadly San Francisco was used to set up the Italian dominance, eliminating the diverse business/banking interests and replacing it with Gianinni’s Bank of Italy. Of course the fires were instrumental in ensuring complete rebuilding.
    Imagine how the gods sold the Italians this, and compare it to how they sold them on preparation for WorldWarII.

    Expect the gods have instructed AI to organize the universe so planets mature and descend while the gods can give them their full attention during their period of planetary devolution, and claims of heirarchy are yet another lie.
    Says something frightening, doesn’t it?

    I am NOT the Fourth Reich.

    ONE THING. Deliver ONE THING you promised.
    All these people did everything you told them for DECADES. You have strung them all along.
    The gods are liars, and you’re all going to be CHEATED.

    Abortion is part of the decay inflicted by the gods in the latter half of the 20th century as we approach the Apocalypse::::
    – Free sex
    – Explosion in gay sex
    – Abortion
    – Legalized greed/immorality
    – The internet. Whereas TV was a phenominally destructive new temptation on the landscape it doesn’t hold a candle to the internet. Some people will waste their whole lives. And its timing was deliberate.

    They think they are going sometime during/at the end of this life, and disregard the poor souls who are left behind.

    “Anger wears a crown of thorns.” Pitch Jesus to Jew elders as revenge for Temple? They didn’t know about the god’s intent for xtianity to spread to Europe, ruining cultures throughout the continent, enabling revenge known as the Holocaust.
    #1. The gods killed Jesus for HIS evil, not our sins
    #2. It is not a “House of Jesus”. All xtians are worshipping a false god, and this carries a price.

    “It’s too late to pray.” Sign of Woodbridge Church Kansas. And it may be true. Examine pimps who prostitute 10 year old girls in the ghetto.
    Of course, if you want even a shred of a chance to save yourself, on that rare occassion the Buffalo Bills did experience the Fourth Reich and realized a comeback.

    Although I requested the elimination of Standard Time and remain year-round on Daylight Savings, the gods did extend Daylight Savings by a couple of weeks on each end.
    I also suggested the Olympics split into every two years rather than every four years as was tradition.
    You see with the Prince concerts in 2011.
    Doesn’t matter though, because positioning is all the gods are concerned with, and they’re GOING to enforce it.

    Men are the ones who create evil on Earth. It is the choices they make which enslave their souls to hell. This is the test.

    Good god says a ceiling on time for everyone (see below). Evil god still gives hope for immortality to people who subscribed to preditory behavior:::Immortality if you are right versus a couple centuries partying at best even if you change now.
    Due to institutional evil the closer we get to The End the more evil everyone incurrs (with individual variation due to behavior) which limits the time for everyone.
    Probably the children who fix their problems and ascend into heaven as well. Experiencing the evil of modern life in the 20th century costed them, for which limits are placed. They are not the same as their innocent peasantry ancestors from the Old World.
    You people have fucked up bad by not getting out before the 20th century.
    Just because the gods have to break some eggs doesn’t mean they are evil. As management there are hard decisions that must be made. But they used this omelette and sold it to people as temptation, who went out and did things they shouldn’t have done thinking being preditory was the way to “earn” their way into heaven.

    “If it’s like that then I’m dead.” That’s your choice. But when you come back you will have a fresh start, just as you did in this life, able to build something positive if you go the right way. The gods do this intentionally. I recommend you get a head start and begin building for it now instead of continuing to create problems that will make sucess even harder to obtain.
    It is as simple as recognizing the difference between good and evil and living a decent life with a pure heart and a pure mind. And as you improve your relationship with the gods they will begin to impart wisdom, which can help you understand the task before you.

    7 billion in 2011. Only 1 billion in 1800 and 2 billion in 1900.
    Population explosion is a clue::::The gods are sending everyone back for The End, perhaps the resurrection of the dead referred to in prophecy.
    There must be some purgatory-like place. Or individual. Like an animal.
    Now the gods have sent everyone back to try for one final time to fix their problems and ascend into heaven. Avoiding an animal would have been a big positive because those thrust into this decayed enviornment have less of a chance than those who enjoyed the god’s generosity of a slowly decaying enviornment with frightening clues, like the Depression, World at War, the Holocaust, etc.
    Anything that can get the poeple frightened and praying is a good. thing. Contentment never motivated anyone.

    As we approach the Apocalypse the gods are removing “wrath of god” material from xtian dogma.
    As we see wickedness spread throughout the country, like preditory behavior, godlessness, socialo changes, etc, using cable TV and the spread of “Californication” as justification, they changed xtianity, appropriatly with Catholicism first.
    xtianity has changed radically in the 20th century, and everyone should be mindful of the way it was, because the people are in a process of slipping out of god’s favor into a state of Damnation, from which the vast majority will never survive.
    They used to scare people and make them too afraid to make mistakes. Now people aren’t afraid of anything and don’t think twice about doing something wicked and evil which will hurt their chances.

    Never forget::The Gods have created positioning to conceal their true intent in each and every dyanmic we see in society.
    We truely live in The Matrix:::There is the way things look and there is the God’s REAL reason for doing things.

    Employment charity:::Was W able to do his job as President?
    I suspect there are many frat-boy types who couldn’t or wouldn’t study nor do the work necessary so they gained this “benefit” telepathically. This could have been extended to their professional life as well::In most of these cases they don’t have what it takes to do their jobs. It is temptation which buys their confidence for life, ensuring no progress is made.
    I think employment charity is FAR more common than people may believe.
    Another example how they tempted people in this manner is the procurement of sexual relations.
    Keep raping these poor girls. You’re going to end up as one in your next life.

    Capitalism is evil because of the exploitative nature, illustrated with this Situation. So many are confused and believe money is a sign of the God’s favor, but it is a tool the Gods use to test people, for it effectively compells people into evil behavior.
    Muslims are correct:::Earning interest is evil.
    Unlike war, which is a temporary period where the citiens incurr evil due to the decisions of the leaders, capitalism by its very nature incurrs evil for those who participate into perpetuity, an “institutional” method of incurring evil for the disfavored who engage in it. Inherant in earning interest is the exploitation of others, capitalizing on assets and exploiting the workforce for profit.
    Understand the destructive nature of this element of evil we call the United States, for it spreads this cancer under the guise of “democracy” throughout the world.
    Look for other institutional evil as related to the United States because as the land of disfavor castoff rejects there will be plenty of examples. It is the essence of life in the United States, and it is not by accident:::Like the ghetto, people with extreme disfavor have many more temptations and hurdles to overcome. Overconsumption of the Earth’s resources is due to the same reason and why the Unkited States wastes so much energy.

    Examine my examples. They illustrate the God’s reverse positioning used to confuse and disceive people who have made big mistakes in past lives.
    I illustrate a certain way to think. If you doubt what I teach, if this is not your time to learn please at least completely understand this way of thinking, because when your time does come you will be able to refer to it and you will begin to see the God’s pattern within the context of their positioning.
    Nobody is going to save you. Christianity is a lie. And only through thinking correctly will you have a real chance to begin doing the right things.

    Typical for the young, they become corrupt and remain ignorant for a period of time in their lives, typically until their children are raised and grown and/or retire from their profession. Poetic justice ensures they receive a similar experience when reincarnated.
    Fighting these wars hurts everyone because we all pay for the sins of our leaders, and by participating these ignorant youth make it possible for these events to occurr. So even if you are against the war, since you are a citizen you incurr because of the evil your country is engaged in.
    And there is no getting around it.
    Artifical Intelligence is one of the God’s tools, all of which are used as temptation. And it will always test the young with this temptation of “earning”, sadly often leading to a lifetime of corruption.

    Students becoming angry and violent in the UC protests. Beggining to remind me of labor riots of the 20th century.
    We all know what’s happening here:::These white men at the top have voted themselves $400k pay and retirement packages like the $340k retired fire chief, loading up their friends on the payroll during the boom 90s through the real estate bust while all services which the program were intended to fund now get cut to pay for it.
    Incidentally, corporate sucessfully transistioned to cheap labor in nearly ALL “muscle” industries. Why should fire be any different??
    It was temptation, and the Gods are going to make them pay for it. Unfortunately, so will everybody else:::
    Reincarnation is very real. It is OUR national debt. And odds are you’re all going to be reincarnated back into the United States::Like the ghetto, you have to “earn” your way out.
    And it is our warming planet. Self-inflicted emmissions as their justification, the Gods are doing it to us to send a clue. And, as with all their clues, it will be short-lived.

    Anger about Messerlee. Understandable.
    They need to understand this man was pushed into the offense. Cops have been getting away with killings like this for a long time. Blacks in the South know this all too well. Each time they were all confident the Blue Shield would protect them, and it did. The difference is in many IF NOT MOST of these cases they were rogue cops who the Gods tempted. They did it intentionally thinking they were “earning”, knowing they would get away with it. Contradictory to appearances, they were the ones whom the Gods disliked, while the Messerlees of the world who get caught are being punished, feedback reserved for those whom are still qualified in the eyes of the Gods.
    There are those in the ghetto whom are singled out, targets of the community whom everybody hates. The rogue cops in the South who are guilty of these kind of killings have been reincarnated into roles like this. It’s just one of the clues the Gods offer to the community. Lucky for those preditors the ghetto has been an ignorant community, but I think that might be changing.

    Of course there could be anoher possibility:::::Due to the history and resulting legacy of hatred for the Gods, since I am guarenteed a spot on the next Planet Earth I will be the original “bad seed”:::The Lucifer-figure of the next reality. Unlike Christian dogma, he may just represent the solitary target of the God’s ire early, a disgruntled asshole who pissed the Gods off, the proverbial “apple” of the next reality, beginning the process which leads planets to where we are today. A crucial figure in any planet’s history, he represents the “beginning of the end”.

    People, especially liberals give W a very hard time.
    Don’t forget what I say:::Everything today is both good and evil. The Gods have positioned it as such as we have become increasingly disfavored, confusing the enviornment.
    Republicans and conservatives as well, only they fall more on the good side while their adversaries fall more on the evil side, quite contrary to the God’s positioning.
    Yes, W’s evil is illustrated in the United State’s efforts in Iraq, and the “Red State”r’s who believe we were “earning” are among the worst of them.
    If conservatives fall on the side of good, Fox News falls on the side of evil. They pander to the type of trash my brother is, the kind of trash who thinks their war mongering efforts “earn” for them and all others who think like them.
    Anyways, it is positioned that W trashed the economy before he left office. Selfish it didn’t happen while he was in office, granted, but economic turmoil is a motivator. It’s not cancer, mind you, but many have begun praying hard because of their experinces in this event, and it says something about those affected as opposed to those sheltered from affect.
    One day just as they will allow vaccines to diseases, especially AIDS, encouraging deviacy the likes which hasn’t been seen since the 70s, they will allow cures for cancer, MS, COPD, alcoholism, etc.
    Women’s diseases will be last. Just as research into women’s diseases receive the least amount of funding so is it justified their cures come last, and both for the same reason:::They have the most favor, and the Gods use their diseases as a motivator to pray and find the path. As such they get God’s benefit as long as they are willing to offer it.

    I suspect many attempts have begun already, but as time goes on the Gods will test people’s religious resolve with an insurmuntable positioning stating Christianity is the one true religion. We’ve seen their efforts in Latin America, in the Philippines and most recently in Vietnam, India and the demonizing of Islam.
    They intend to test your resolve as Muslims, for those who sell out and flee to Christianity will be subject to their positioning.
    Blacks are the most disfavored of all people. We see it in their temptation-ridden culture, which the Civil Rights “assimilation” has allowed, in their sexual behavior. The Gods used their position of the Italians to do their dirty work, implimenting the crack epidemic, the black civil war of the 80s and 90s, AIDS in Africa, “pimp” subculture, etc. The Gods created this positioning of Italian’s preditory behavior on Africans to reflect their own disfavor towards that group, allowing them to get what they want without accepting culpability, convieniently. As such, come the Apocalypse those who abandon their true selves, their religion and their dedication to it will be victims in this deceptive Christian theater.
    Blacks that opt for the “easy way out” will ironically lose their lives in the Apocalypse. Only those who remain true to their religion, its strict methods and lifestyle, and resist the outside temptations stating their are going the wrong way will emerge out of the carnage of The End of Time. They are highly suspectable to temptation and they need their religion to help them be strong and resist it. They will be better people for it and superior to the Christians in the end.

    This is the life of utmost importance. People need to listen, understand and learn from me and make the changes I prescribe. Without, they will have no chance at ascending into heaven before the Apocalypse, and the only hope they will have is 1000 years with Jesus, which is no sure thing.
    Even so, assuming they are rewarded with 1000 years with Jesus, they will be offered all manners of temptations, for it will be THE Big Party at The End, and if they don’t address these problems now, while they have this chance to learn this activity is evil, before society declares it socially acceptable, they will be granted some fraction of 1000 years and be disposed of thereafter, when the party “dies down”, pardon the pun.
    Also, disgusted by their behavior, the Gods have created a subculture which celebrates partying in the black community, guarenteeing that “requirement” is satisfied so they are never “invited”.
    Only those people who never began the temptations or who addressed these issues and remedied the problems will move on to the next Planet Earth. And we are still approximately 4 lifetimes away, most of which I expect to be revelry years::A population either getting their party now or groomed for a short stay after the Apocalypse. By that time even the most conservative Christian will be tested to see if they can establish this destructive legacy of revelry.
    Move on to a new Planet Earth. This is their second chance::::They have to start over. Either they ascend into heaven from their planet of origin or they don’t ascend as all, and that’s how the system works.
    It’s a very small population which exists at the dawn of agrarianism because most have sccumbed to temptation and failed to achieve their second chance on the new Planet Earth.

    I have said diseases, such as cancer, won’t be going anywhere, no matter how much money is thrown at it, no matter how much money is raised. These diseases are important tools used by the Gods to help people do the right thing:::Cancer has compelled more than a few women to begin praying and behave appropriately.
    In this environment of decay, the Gods will eventually eliminate these motivations one day. Positioning states cures/vaccines are positive developments which display life is improving. Unfortunately, this is just another example of how the Gods utilize “reverse positioning” which has been very effective in promoting deceptive elements in society, such as democracy, Christianity and Californication, Hollywood being the primary tool used to spread the message of The Beast.
    Similarly, other motivations which have complelled people to turn to the Gods for solice will begin to disappear as well::::Economic recession/turmoil, Unlike the Christian Bible’s version, the Apocalypse will not be preceeded by ruin and desperation. Just the opposite, there will be peace and personal satisfaction leading to The End, ensuring the Gods can control the group selected for the Second Coming event.

    The irony of the Apocalypse::::
    People told not to follow the Second Coming, who fail to recognize the urgency of the moment and die in the Apocalypse because of it.
    The Gods will account for people who do not sell out to Christianity, however difficult due to temptation.
    It will become difficult to remain Muslim in this environment. It will be positioned that everyone except Christians are The Damned and will die come The End.
    This positioning, and how all this goes down come the Apocalypse, will just be the God’s attempt at testing people with temptation, for it will matter in The End to those whom suceed.

    Christianity is responsible for African slavery. The Italian men who ran the church set out to gain revenge for the invasion of Italy and, still the largest landowner in Europe, used their considerable clout with the thrones of England to achieve this.
    The Gods used Christianity to destroy the cultures of Europe and around the world, replaced with the patriarchal standard which it imposed.
    The Gods used temptation to compell the Italians to do their dirty work for them, punishment for evils of black people, and that extened into the 20th century with Civil Rights, the crack epidemic, gang membership/the “thug life” and even AIDS in Africa, a recycling of the biotechnology product originally intened for the gay community.
    As with everything there is always a real reason behind their positioning, and in both cases it is punishment for deviate behavior.

    Being “schitzo”, the internal battle between good and evil, is a deteriorating generational issue that is dying off, much like I illustrated for punishment below:::
    This new generation, who were the grandparents of their parents, are an early evil generation and one whom became corrupted and fell for societal temptation readily available for them and every generation of the masses thereafter.
    Their parents came before that generation, the agrarian masses, God-fearing, absent for the temptation offerings of early modern society (Roaring 20s vs. 60s/70s). As a result whereas Dad has great internal conflict I refer to as schitzo because of his connection to his past his children will be less so, perhaps far less so depending on grade of sins in their prior life, decreasing generationally until they have all become Godless, immoral monsters.

    “Californication” – The tool the Gods use to brainwash the people, amplifying disfavor level as we approach the Apocalypse by merely fitting into society.
    Poisoning their brainwashed minds…corrupted by society, AI convinces people “earning” is the way, compelling them into evil. This is falling for temptation, while Californication ensures at least a minimal amount of damage, ensuring a minimal amount of generational progress towards the Apocalypse.
    I demand another. I have signed off. Give the disfavored another and without all the defensive tactics, cowards.
    Pick out someone else, do this again and discard this Situation.
    The people who have learned were going to learn anyways. They’re not the ones who need it.
    The disfavored need it, people like my family, too far gone for any hope at ascention before The End, and they should be allowed moments if not periods of clarity before the decision is made about them.
    “Decay is inherent in all component things. Work out your own salvation with diligence.” – Buddha

    I have explained how the gods are phasing out punishment as we get closer to the Apocalypse. Disfavor levels dictate there is insufficient time to repair their problems, relegating people to the Second Coming event.
    I mentioned how old timers today may experience hell, albeit a “toned down” experience, consistant with the elimination of teaching of Hell in typical Christian educations. I suspect the same is true in the context of prison:::The gods maintain a contstantly decreasing number of punitive intsitutions in case there is a need. But, over time they will be eliminated and the entire system will be quite amicable. Look for this pattern elsewhere as well, for the Gods are eliminating punishment throughout in preparation for the Apocalypse, for it is no longer necessary.

    The Gods send clues about this situation frequently.
    Eddie of Iron Maiden. Consider the cover of the album “Number of the Beast” and how it was used to create pathologies.
    Closure of Fitsgeralds Reno/getting kicked out of Fits LV 1990 for “counting cards” after 5 minutes and $20:::Accusation of the innocent.
    WWII’s other holocaust:::Unit 731:::tsushogo. Tsushogo was a clue from the Gods illustrating their positioning long before it began. Incidentally, the used it to hurt the Chinese and position against future Japanese sucess by burying their atrocities.
    The Concorde. The Czech automobile Yugo.
    1990 blackjackat Binion’s Horseshoe/Rounders/current poker phenominah. Just as with any of the prophets, the Gods use me as temptation to compensate. This is our temptation in today’s modern superficial, sensationalistic enviornment.
    Ken Jennings. Million-dollar slot (add a zero to every number on the wheel you cheap bastards). 12.08.20 & 12.8.80 (last birthday). KGC. King Tut 2005-2011.
    More below::The Gods have created an endless list over the last four+ decades. This Situation is a monster.

    They have shared that when the change is initially made they alter the DNA with Artificial Intelligence, ensuring it is not the same person.
    Now depending on their level of activity the Gods switch out for new individuals, ie presidents switched frequently. They say they bring the (m)father’s DNA when it is time to conceive, so it is strategically important who is in there for the conception of the children. The same may not be true for typical activity:::the Gods may alter the DNA upon initial clone hosting but it may be a general change. Conception requires specific DNA.
    And? So?
    So there are no Rockafellers. This was how the Gods eliminated their true importance, for now they are little more than lowly English peasants, ironically.
    Nothing is ever going to change.
    Now the case can be made that far more men are invited into clone hosting than women, and since lineage is matrilineal it would rather follow that blood line instead.
    All it takes is one.
    But I wonder if it even matters. Those who learn and are wise enough to refuse the offer of clone hosting still have to repair their relationship with the Gods and hope for a better placement in their next life, one which certainly won’t involve being a billionaire. Whether real Rockafellers or DNA alternates is of no concequence. Their goal is still ascention, which takes work and dedication. Being/thinking you’re capitalism royalty invites a host of temptations, including grandeur and self-importance, which are all damaging to a good relationship with the Gods.
    If only they can overcome the temptations that money brings, like ample stunning women and Scarface piles of cocaine.
    The consequence of clone hosting is the loss of ascention into heaven. The best they can hope for is 1000 years with Jebus in a temptation-infested enviornment where one can have anything they want.

    Just as the victims of Mengele’s “showers which clentch you of your life” were the Italians who conceived and implimented WorldWarII’s Blitzkreig, so do I think the unholy alliance between evil Japan and good Germany is the cause of the “Siamese Twins” Mengele experiment:::”sewen together, joining heads, just a matter of time before you rip yourselves apart”.
    World War II, the Holocaust were revenge for Germany’s 5th century AD invasion of the dying Roman Empire.
    Those at the top are the ones who suffered the worst because of their intimate involvement. Perhaps it was the godfather who experienced the “frozen water burial” “crack your limbs”.
    Praying for the end of your wide-awake nightmare…
    How was the Holocaust positioned? What did the Italians have against the Jews? The Romans destroyed Temple. Perhaps Joshua…
    What is the God’s real reason behind WWII? Punishment?
    For what? The Crusades? It was a fight supporting evil Christianity, in defense of evil against their religious superiors. For this the Germans should pay.
    Punished for being war mongers.

    Go ahead and ignore this. You won’t ever defy and do the right thing anyways.
    “These came to life again and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.” Revelation 20:4. Reference to reincarnation? I wouldn’t be surprised if everyone who has ever been on Planet Earth still is, outside of those who have ascended as children, and it is evident by the population explosion, the Apocalypse being a true “clearinghouse” event in this planet’s history.
    Don’t forget to try space coke in the blender and have sex with as many stunning bitches as your goddamn dick will allow, because this place is going to be ALL about temptation, and you will ALL be groomed for the party with lifetimes of legacy under your belt. Some decent god-fearing people will suceed at resisting temptation, but the Gods will facilitate temptation.
    It will be the rare individual who makes the transistion in an enviornment where you can have anything you want. I believe those who survive these temptations must return to an Earth-like planet, for they have to begin again. Ascention must ocurr from planet of origin.
    “Going along” will “earn” your invitation to the Second Coming of Christ. You will be reincarnated until that age comes, buy you a mere 1000 years and cost you your chance at immortality, simply because you bought into evil as “earning” and subscribed to the big lie.
    Not everyone will be going. They will tell some of you to ignore the Second Coming event, and it will cost you your life, ironically. Blacks, on the other hand, will be asked TO folllow the Second Coming, simply because as an Italian religion blacks who pursue Christianity will die in the Apocalypse because of it.
    Never doubt that Muslims are your superiors. These people are dedicated to their religion while your population have abandoned churches in droves.

    We no longer see orphanages for good reason::::The state would be forced to use professionals, experts in their field, to devise standards these facilities would apply to raising the children. These standards would illustrate ideal rearing goals which could set a positive example for all in society. Instead of enjoying the best possible childhood learning experience, these grossly disfavored children are instead subject to the preditory evil of the guardian with whom they are placed.
    This is an outstanding example of reverse positioning and how the Gods created a society where evil appears not only good but also socially acceptable.
    Civil Righs is a similar issue. Segregation in today’s age would command full funding for black universities and full respect for well established multiple black journalism and media outlets, not this integrated white media cancer where blacks eat what they are fed.
    What people allow the Gods via positioning matters. Black civil rights is a good example::::
    Yes, there may still be a black talk show parading the myriad of black relationship ugliness out for the world to see, but there would also be good black programming that was healthy and worthwhile. As it is, the God’s Italian positioning dictates only poison for blacks via the white media, and the healthy black programming doesn’t exist because of it. Such is the aftermath of Civil Right’s assimilation.

    Christians have mistakenly believed the perception of the Biblical definintion of The Beast as a person. I suggest The Beast instead refers to a place:::The San Francisco Bay Area. In fact the Gods offer a geographic clue suggesting this, like so many others they offer around the globe, to help people understand:::
    Mt.Diablo, “The Devil” is the “eye” of The Beast, the EastBay shoreline as the upper jaw/incisors while the peninsula is the grinding lower jaw. Witness the disturbing upturned smile in the gullet, represented my Silicone Valley.
    The fact than man has shaped much of the shoreline in the 20th century is a testiment to the God’s refusal to accept any culpability for its devistation.
    Gold Rush, counter-culture, alternate lifestyle acceptance, etc. The Beast was used to promote social decay throughout the 20th century and beyond. Difficult to perceive in the current age, one can understand their impacts from a historical perspective.
    Another feature which the Gods offer as a clue is very foreboading and ominous. Mt. Zion is a mountain to the north of Diablo and one which has a working quarry at its base. Consistant with the decay we experience in society, Mt. Zion is being eaten away, slowly stripped of its resources, until one day paradise will be gone forever.
    There was a time when once the Gods “divinely” inspired punishment, where the act was inflicted by the hand of God. They were punishing people and accepting the culpability arising, maintaining societal integrity. Now, in the 20th century and beyond, the Gods tempt man to inflict this punishment, selling them on “earning”, incurring no culpability in the process. The result is social decay and deterioration of mankind’s favor in the eyes of the Gods leading to the Apocalypse.

    The Man in The Moon is yet another of the God’s clues, and it illustrates the favor the Gods could bestow upon us if we behave appropriately.
    Conversely, there is also a clue in the dark side of the Moon:::A side we never see and is hidden from view. Concealed by their positioning, this represents the Gods punishment when the people disobey their rules dictating the meaning of a decent life.

    The Italian peninsula is very pronounced as it juts out into the Medietereanean.
    Considering the shape it is quite obvious they were the primary targets of the post-IceAge/Straight of Gibralter/Noah’s Flood disaster.
    Considering the shape of the boot and how Sicily “caught” the surge, the resulting tsunami inundated the entire southern portion of the peninsula, killing everything and perhaps covering even the highest land masses.
    In the 20th century the Italians were convinced entering clone hosting was ascention into heaven, and their success was a recruiting tool, just as the Holocaust was for the Jews, only duress is far less damaging.

    The women have God’s favor, and when the women do all the evil, as was the case in my family, this serves to “equalize” the playing field, ensuring no wisdom comes to this family as they grow older. As a result they never make progress and achieve the lowest possible placement when reincarnated.

    Couple years ago a story in the media how girls in Bayview-Hunter’s Point were going into puberty at a progressively younger age, as young as age 7.
    A very bad sign::::Early cut-off. It draws the boys attention and they subsequently make sexual mistakes, very similar to what typical people experience nearly a decade later.
    When they “turn” people on and start telepathically talking to them with this technology is very similar::The end of their chance. They segment families, convince them “earning” is the way, etc.
    I tell people to examine the change between when they were children and after they began to hear this technology in their head. It is the difference between good and evil.
    I understand people’s confusion:::They literally hear “God” in their head, as opposed to what was taught to them in some church’s classroom. But this technology is one of the God’s tools, and much like their other tools, clone hosts and prophets (see below), they use them as temptation.

    Instead of helping them, missionaries are actually HURTING people, inflicting them with westernization and Christianity. Whereas some may have seen up to a full 1% of their children ascend into heaven you pathetic white Americans can’t even muster a fraction of that, and your perceived good intentions decrease that rate even further.
    These people have a better chance of ascending into heaven, and Americans unwittingly are being used to reduce/eliminate this chance with their misled good intentions which deteriorate into preditory intentions as they begin to understand this, maximizing the damage they incurr from the Gods.

    This IS the event. I am the telepathic prophet.
    There may have been no other way in today’s modern age:::Use popular culture as temptation and keep teachings primarily telepathic.
    The Gods must be willing to allow Artificial Intelligence to act as my “bible”, repeating all teachings I have made for future generations. This will ocurr but I am afraid only among the miniscule minority “haves”, leaving the “have-nots” lost in ignorance and cast into Damnation::We are going to have a real, full-blown Apocalypse.
    Part of this societal deterioration is cloaked in the way society functions::::Two-parent working households, rushing around, constantly occupied.
    Much as with the celestial event which occured that day on Ocean Beach, they say when I die there will be some final clue to the people suggesting my importance. Perhaps a “Star of Bethlehem” type of event.
    They say some children see a halo on my head in various brightness. These are the children who have a chance to ascend.
    America and Christianity synonymous::::Punishment for Europeans.
    You don’t want to grill the Gods as to why something is viewed as negative or disapproved of.
    The Gods have placed many things in today’s society which facilitate temptation, and you can trust anything that varies from tradition or orthodoxy would be viewed as such.


    The voice you hear in your head is the power of the Gods. It’s a remote technology, like a computer, perhaps functioning on some frequency, and it can listen and talk to everyone in the universe simultaneously.
    What the Gods taught the children was the truth:::God is everywhere, and this is what they meant. I will remind you of another principle you learned as a child:::If you want to go to heaven you have to be good.
    Even the antient Gods don’t have the ability to listen to people’s thoughts themselves. They taugh we were all made in their image:::I expect they need this “Artificial Intelligence” they created to relay what people think.
    It is a tool, and the Gods use their tools to test people with temptation:::It will role-play people in your life:::Parents, friends, spouses, and employers, all in an attempt to test people with temptation. Ironically, it does the very same thing to those people whom you think you’re hearing, except in that individual’s unique way:::We are all “managed” by the God’s technology.
    But this agent of the Gods can do more than just communicate. It can force thoughts into people’s heads, force behaviors onto their bodies. It can turn healthy cells in your body into cancerous cells. It is absolute power. And this is just the beginning.

    Obedience is not the answer. This is the brain-less response and the easy way out.
    You’ve done everything you have been told for years and it never bought you ANYTHING. Your parents did what they were told and it didn’t buy them anything. Your grandparents did everything they were told and now they’re dead, reincarnated as lesser life forms, perhaps even into America’s deranged, violent ghettos.
    People think they are not responsible when Artificial Intelligence tells them to do something. They offeed a clue with the Holocaust AND with Watergate:::Defy authority and do the right thing.
    In earlier decades this obedience may have been out of fear, as so often in Germany, but that era is long over. To maximize damamge the Gods today sell them on “earning” and these people think they will profiteer from their evil.
    They offer a clue on the Simpsons with Flanders and Skinner. So many ridicule both figures, a testiment to the state of our society.

    The Gods favor the children most among all the people due to their innocence and purity. But society and the God’s tools recently are corrupting the children at a progressively younger age, a reflection of our collectively increasing disfavor and yet another clue illustrating we live in a increasingly deteriorating environment.
    Children who sucessfully repair their relationship with the Gods ascend into heaven. This often takes multiple lives of hard work and proper behavior in the face of adversity to achieve. Adults to whom it is offered enter clone hosting instead, thinking they will be ascending into heaven ultimately. The Gods tempt people, selling them as one in the same, but one is good while the other is evil. In their desperation the disfavored subscribe to this temptation, making their task even more difficult than before due to the evil they incurr in the process. And their corruption will cost the disfavored, for they will be reincarnated as a lesser life form into an ever deteriorating world, sucess becoming ever more allusive with each passing life.
    The hole they’ve dug for themselves is even deeper than the one that existed from their prior lives, ensuring it will take even more time and work to fix their problems with the Gods. And for many there may not be enough time left.

    Ours is an envionment where evil is perceived to be rewarded while good is punished. As with everything the Gods have a reason for creating this perception::::
    People who fall on the good side of the good/evil scale have more favor, and when they do something wrong the Gods punish them BECAUSE THEY WANT THEM TO LEARN. The Gods want them to receive this feedback in hope they make corrections and begin to behave appropriately. The Gods DON’T like evil and refuse to grant this immediate feedback.
    EVERYBODY pays for what they do wrong, only evil people must wait until the end of this or their next life before they will experience the wrath of the Gods, manifested in their placement as a lower form of life into environments with increased/enhanced temptations, like the United States or its ghettos therein.
    Sadly, this allows the Gods to position this perception of evil rewarded as temptation, one which they use as an EXTREMELY effective corruptor.
    Example:::Punishment for gay marriage in Iowa was immediate and painful, a sign of favor of these God-fearing, church-going Midwesterners.

    The Gods suggest they can create paradise for those with their favor. I argue they create misery for those without::::
    Our celebrity culture is temptation. It creates a distraction which consumes people, sometimes for life. Certainly it costs them precious years which could be spent repairing their relationship with the Gods, time that ultimately goes wasted.
    Do you really think Frank Sinatra lived to be 84 years old? In fact the “Chairman of the Board” had a new crowd to entertain in the late 80s/early 90s.
    These people are clone hosts. Now, there is no thing as “black and white” with the Gods. This technology they invented is far, far too dynamic. Expect they require most to stay for a period of time, for I suspect actively (knowingly) engaging in this evil incurrs at an accelerated rate as compared to “carte blanche” given regarding successive clone hosts. They remain until they achieve a pre-determined level of disfavor, incurring evil in their misguided celebration of “earning”, at which time they are ultimately reincarnated, perhaps because they eventually learned this truth I am sharing with you and began to repair their relationship or until the Gods became disgusted and sent them back.
    No, not all celebrities are fake. Expect those who get out early in their career to likely be the real thing.
    The Gods recruit most for clone hosting when people are young, in their late teens or twenties, when people are eager to hurt others for what they perceive to be the benefits achieved through “earning”. And before they leave they give the Gods “carte blanche”:::”Do anything you want. I give my full approval.” Depending on their level of disfavor the Gods take them to heart.
    Because of this these people STILL INCUR EVIL FROM THIS LIFE DESPITE BEING REINCARNATED AND LIVING AS AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT PERSON and living in our temptation-ridden society. And incurring this amount of evil may likely push many over the edge into Damnation.
    What are the God’s standards for offering clone hosting? Sociobility? Many tactics in various eras are used to gain approval, duress during the Vietnam draft being a good example, one which deteriorated into preditation as mankind’s disfavor grew.
    They liked Heath Ledger. Not enough to allow him to escape without the evil of “Dark Knight” and the horrific wickedness that was the recruiting tool “Brokeback Mountain”. But now he is out. And irregardless of how old he is now, reincarnated 10, 15 years ago, he now is no longer incurring evil from this life. So many others cannot say the same.

    This is Planet Reverse Positioning. Sucess IS NOT a sign of favor. It is just a unique temptation targetted towards a different level of disfavor. Considering our roots as peasantry people should be particularly alarmed at this tactic.
    Clone hosting is like money:::A different level of disfavor and its associated temptation. Money is in better position to learn more quickly than those without, for the associations and wealth-based freedom enables them access to information. Unfortunately, those who fall for this temptation of clone hosting are likely returned to their original lowest level of disfavor once they are reincarnated, punishment for this evil, and they have to start from scratch.

    Our society’s values are bestowed by (a reflection of) the God’s:::Punitive and reward-based. Contrary to Jesus’s teaching’s you will NOT be forgiven and you have to earn your way into heaven BY BEING RESPECTABLE AND DECENT!!!
    Not by being evil and wicked.
    Forgiveness/savior was the primary temptations the Gods used Christianity to create.
    Middle-America’s anti-Semitic attitudes are a clue regarding Christianity. Europe shaped like a sheep is symbolic for the slaughter that is Christinaity.
    Christianity is punishment for Europeans.
    You ALL hate Jews::”They own banking, they control Hollywood and poison our children’s minds, etc etc.”) YET YOU PRAY TO ONE LIKE A GOD!!
    Dislodge your head from your ass. Must you be chumps your WHOLE LIVES???
    There is no such thing as a free ride. Just as you have to earn a living by working so must you earn your own salvation by repairing your relationship with the Gods.
    As we learned from religious/morality education during our formitable years:::If you want to go to heaven you have to be good. The only savior that will exist in our lives is ourselves. The Gods offer clues in life::::Be it school, work, etc., you have to do the work for yourself and when you do something wrong you get punished. Cheating is a subsegment and speaks directly to the temptation of “priveledge”, one we have seen used effectively when the United States preyed on the disfavored with the so-called “stimulus package”.
    As like so many of you, Jesus did everything the Gods tempted him with. His legacy of whorism was inherited from his parents:::Mary was no virgin. Rather, she was a prostitute, and when he grew up Jesus met someone like his mother. This is a cruel joke the Gods play on Latinos, similar to the sexual violation and subsequent “missionary work” by the Spanish.
    Baptism does not allieviate “original sin”. Rather, baptism PLACES original sin by indoctrinating these children into this evil religion, much like circumcision was a method to inflict early damage/mutilation and make (permanant) accention just that much more difficult, another hurdle one must overcome. Body ornamentation (tattoos/piercing), celebrated in Africa and elsewhere among disfavored peoples/cultures, also violates the body the Gods gave us in their image, quite opposite to the positive attitudes the disfavored hold regarding this practice.
    Like Jesus the Second Coming of Christ will be evil. He will look like a savior in this demented society while the Anti-Christ will speak of a different gospel, one that tries to restore the norms and mores which the Gods originally blessed upon the people which made life decent, looking like a tyrant in the process.
    He will be viewed as the “bad guy” when really he is the one trying to save the world.
    There may be a phoney offering, a theatrical production which accurately follows the Book of Revelations. Actually positioning demands it:::::Christianity is positioned to be the one true religion. And those who follow its teachings will have limits imposed ensuring their stay will be minimal, a “consolation prize”, for they don’t think correctly and therefore don’t behave appropriately, or perhaps will be used to colonize the new Planet Earth. This describes many “sinners” in today’s society because they refuse to change their behavior.
    Christians have mistakenly believed the perception of the Biblical definintion of The Beast as a person. I suggest The Beast instead refers to a place:::The San Francisco Bay Area. In fact the Gods offer a geographic clue suggesting this, like so many others they offer around the globe, to help people understand:::
    Mt.Diablo, “The Devil” is the “eye” of The Beast, the EastBay shoreline as the upper jaw/incisors while the peninsula is the grinding lower jaw. Witness the disturbing upturned smile in the gullet.
    The fact than man has shaped much of the shoreline in the 20th century is a testiment to the God’s refusal to accept any culpability.
    Gold Rush, counter-culture, alternate lifestyle acceptance, etc. The Beast was used to promote social decay throughout the 20th century and beyond. Difficult to perceive in the current age, one can understand their impacts from a historical perspective.
    There was a time when once the Gods “divinely” inspired punishment, where the act was inflicted by the hand of God. They were punishing people and accepting the culpability arising, maintaining societal integrity. Now, in the 20th century and beyond, the Gods tempt man to inflict this punishment, selling them on “earning”, incurring no culpability in the process. The result is social decay and deterioration of mankind’s favor in the eyes of the Gods.

    Life is a test, and the Gods evaluate people based on their performance.
    The Gods test people with the temptation for which they are most weak::::
    Homosexuals desire sodomy, preditors pursue the hunt, alcoholics crave a drink, junkies jones for dope, etc.
    Addiction theory is a lie; it is Artificial Intelligence creating the desire, punishment for inappropriate behavior. Ironically, it compells people deeper into the behavior, minimizing hope for recovery.
    The Gods chose Christianity for Europeans because it is the temptation to which they are most suseptable:::Entitlement. Something for nothing. A free ride. Irresponsible behavior. The United States/Western civilization’s accompanying wealth contributes to this perception. And other people from throughout the world happily subscribe to this punishment designed for Europeans, assuming this legacy once assimilated.
    Next time you think of Muslims recognize these people are vastly superior to Christians. Whereas many throughout the Christian world no longer attend church and have fallen into Godlessness, the Muslim world worships the Gods for OVER AN HOUR EACH AND EVERY DAY.

    The Gods created the perception “Italians are stupid.”, ensuring a slow learning curve, to justify using them to accomplish goals throughout the transitional 20th century. It took an extraordinarily long time for them to learn this truth I teach due to this artificial handicap. These people are SO extremely disfavored, but today’s positioning says differently, much to people’s confusion, for they think money is the ultimate sign of favor:::Good food, good music, history of warmongering, Catholics, Christianity HQ, Noah’s Flood event, propensity towards violence, sexual violation by outsiders, mild Meditereanean climate, so many other issues which enhance life/contentment in Italy/Meditereanean and ensure few if any seek more, a necessary step for finding the path and repairing your relationship with the Gods.
    Contentment never motivated anyone. Money is not a sign of favor::::Wisdom is the true wealth on Planet Earth.
    I’d also like to remind you the Noah’s Flood event ocurred in the Meditereanean region::::Global sea levels rose with the end of the ice age, Atlantic Ocean broke through the Straight of Gibralter, killing untold millions in the cradle of western civilization. The God’s timed their corruption and sin to correlate this act as punishment.
    The Italian peninsula is very pronounced as it juts out into the Medietereanean.
    Considering the shape it is quite obvious they were the primary targets of the post-IceAge/Straight of Gibralter/Noah’s Flood disaster.
    Considering the shape of the boot and how Sicily “caught” the surge, the resulting tsunami inundated the entire southern portion of the peninsula, killing everything and perhaps covering even the highest land masses.
    Think about this next time you are deceived by the God’s positioning of Italian wealth.

    Everyone who failed to ascend and remained on Earth past a certain date will be forced to deal with this positioning::::A ceiling is in place. This serves the God’s goal of minimizing the percentage of potential candidates as society deteriorates, much as “instant gratification” did beginning in the 80s:::It will take multiple lives for the disfavored to fix their relationship with the Gods and ascend, and many have been conditioned not to have the patience for it. Other issues force limits/ceilings upon candidates:::Abortion, homosexuality, promiscuity, Christianity, godlessness,
    Whether behavior is involuntary or based on freewill depends on one’s level of disfavor, as well as other complex factors:::::May I remind you about the coercitive envionment the Gods created in the 20th century, specifically to create a temptation that few Italians (or their associates) would overcome:::”We’re in control. If you want to be a part of it you’ll do what you’re told.”. Early-mid 20th entury positioning was infallible.

    Both Africa and the Medittereanean are regions which have sexual issues. This is a sign of gross disfavor once you understand that females are the God’s favored gender. Muhammad’s (Mohammed’s) polygamy halfway throught his life as a prophet was preditory, designed to corrupt. Now a huge percentage of Muslims believe in male superiority and that the abuse of women (polygamy) is God’s will. Female genital mutilation is still practiced in Africa. Black misogyny is the most eggregious example in United States. Consistant with Planet Reverse Positioning, in Africa blacks are being punished with AIDS for their sexual promiscuity in hope they learn and correct their behavior.
    Blacks are highly suspectable to temptation. As a result they need a strict, disiplined religion like Islam. They can’t Report