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Mark of New Jersey

Mark is a Founding Editor of The League of Ordinary Gentlemen, the predecessor of Ordinary Times.

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  1. Avatar greginak says:

    It is true that many policy ideas worth discussing are out of the centrist consensus and therefore cannot be discussed. Stopping the drug war and imprisoning a lot less people come to mind. But I still think it is a fair point that right wing crazy is much more acceptable in this country. Pat Buchanan said he thought Jim Crow was better then now because race relations were simpler. The birthers get plenty of mainstream airtime, etc.Report

    • Avatar Mark Thompson in reply to greginak says:

      You’re probably right, at least for the moment. The big point here, though, is the way in which anyone opposed to the centrist consensus is so often painted as one of the crazies such that their arguments just get dismissed. There’s also another effect here, which is that by pushing the crazies as representative of all opponents, those crazies actually become the only arguments in opposition that can get heard, which gives them more credibility than they deserve amongst opponents in general.Report

    • Avatar Michael Drew in reply to greginak says:

      I also think that the crazier-because-packing-heat point is not to be glossed over. On a narrow reading of the term crazy, by all means asserting a government-executed demolition of WTC on 9/11/01 is certainly crazier than thinking a public option might lead to Medicare for all. But then getting from your particular political craziness-point-of-departure, whatever it is, to toting AR-15s to presidential events is really a qualitatively different, and I would say by design much more significant development — certainly it asserts itself on one’s attention conversely to the way that 9/11 Truthers could be dismissed as amusingly harmless — than is the question of what particular loony beliefs get you there.

      Guns are excellent subject-changers. The folks who make them part of the discussion are aware of this.Report

      • Avatar Michael Drew in reply to Michael Drew says:

        In other words, comparing those who hold a clearly crazy belief but do so peacefully to those who hold actually relatively reasonable beliefs by comparison but who choose to bear arms over that belief — when the issue is one we hope we could have a consensus should be should be part of vigorous (maybe even to the point of shouting down Congressmen) but peaceful democratic debate (ie part of politics) is like comparing apples to crossbows.Report