another slightly more academic-sounding addition to a relentlessly partisan and biased liberal blogosphere

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Erik Kain

Erik writes about video games at Forbes and politics at Mother Jones. He's the contributor of The League though he hasn't written much here lately. He can be found occasionally composing 140 character cultural analysis on Twitter.

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  1. Avatar greginak says:

    Bravo, I read a lot of liberal sites and I haven’t seen any that said all R’s are birthers. This is the classic no win/all victim theory of media criticism. If liberals crit birthers then R’s are oppressed and it is all the L’s fault. If the press covers birthers and the prominent politicians who are supporting the idea, then it’s the fault of liberals. And of course if the birthers got no attention, then they would be screaming bloody murder, those damn liberals are shutting us out.

    Easy no muss, no fuss, it’s all the fault of the liberals, pity the poor oppressed conservatives.Report

  2. Avatar Bruce Smith says:

    Birthers and Tea Party Protesters are all in the business of throwing mud in the hope that some of it sticks. You cannot expect constructive thinking from these people. They even got the causes of the original Tea Party Protest wrong. It was the corrupt corporate conglomerate, the East India Company, that persuaded stock holders like George III and other influential stock holding members of Parliament to get a Tea Tax Act passed that would apply to American tea merchants but not to the East India company who, of course, had lots of tea in English warehouses to ship to the States. Shouldn’t that have given some pause for thought especially if they’d taken the trouble to read up on the Sub-Prime Fiasco and discovered Wall Street spent $5 billion between 2000 to 2008 trying to get a more relaxed financial regulation regime amongst other objectives. Both Tea Tax Act and Sub-Prime Fiasco are great ways for joint market and state initiatives to undermine a country through greed.Report

  3. Avatar Jason Arvak says:

    Where Jason and I part ways is that Jason believes every post critical of birthers or of Republicans supporting birthers should come fair-and-balanced with some sort of addendum noting that not all conservatives support the birther movement.

    Not EVERY post about birthers should include such a caveat. My point was that those posts that are dedicated specifically to debates about how prevalent birthers are or are not should include such a caveat, since that caveat addresses precisely what is at issue in such posts.

    Will chose not to do that. Even when challenged, he has continued to press forward with his misleading selection of data points that exaggerates how prevalent birthers are among “mainstream conservatives”.

    It is distressing that comments you disagree with are considered acceptable material for a full post mocking and belittling the commenter. My initial impression of the League as an exception to the general incivility of the blogosphere appears to have been very wrong.Report

    • Avatar E.D. Kain says:

      Okay. Dude. Seriously. I didn’t mock you. I even said that you fit the “honest, sincere, etc.” description. If that’s mocking than I guess I’m screwed. You called out my post yesterday for the very same reason you called out Will’s today even though I didn’t even mention anything you’re talking about. So right now you’re just coming across as cranky. I wasn’t mocking you. I was laying out my case in longer-form.Report

  4. Avatar Jason Arvak says:

    Yeah, I re-read the post again and perhaps I’m just being cranky at this point. Complaint withdrawn, with apologies. 🙂Report

  5. Avatar Mr. Prosser says:

    E.D. and Smith, great summations. Daniel Larison at Eunomia also has a good post up on this. His idea that Americanists believe Obama cannot possibly act as the high priest of the religion of Americanism hits much closer to home than the standard passing off of the whole thing as racism although I believe that to be the case. Conservatism may not need a disclaimer so much as a full divorce from know-nothing populism.Report

    • Avatar Jason Arvak says:

      The problem then becomes how to execute a divorce while there exists a substantial contingent of enemies who want the association to exist regardless?Report

      • Avatar E.D. Kain says:

        Therein lies the rub, methinks…Report

      • Avatar Herb says:

        “The problem then becomes how to execute a divorce while there exists a substantial contingent of enemies who want the association to exist regardless?”

        As an official spokesman of all liberals, perhaps I can provide some insight.

        First off, we are not enemies. We’re fellow citizens with different opinions. I know, I know…why acknowledge that when war metaphors work so much better?

        Here’s why: It’s a very short leap from “liberals are enemies” to “the liberal in the White House is not a citizen.” A very short leap.

        Secondly, liberals would love to debate and argue against sane, reasonable conservatives. Our (liberal) interests are not served by whacked out, fringers like the birthers or tea partiers. (Notice how I refrained from calling them tea baggers. Respect…it’s useful!)Report

  6. Avatar mike farmer says:

    Oh I’m sure the liberals will back off when they realize how sincerely some conservatives want to be objective and fair. (snicker)

    You have to be blind to not see the attempt by most liberals to subtly, and not so subtly, associate birthers, tea party-ers and conservatives. The conservatives, many of them, did this against the liberals by associating them with the far left fringe — the funny part is that it culminated in the liberals placing Micahel Moore beside Carter — LOL — The media loved it! The liberals didn’t eat the far left, they embraced them!

    The conservatives can’t embrace the birthers and tea part-ers, because the media would completely destroy them.

    The liberals are winning the political war as the conservatives battle one another. What a fucking strategy!Report

  7. Avatar Michael Drew says:

    Uh-oh, here comes a well-earned Lefties-Accuse-Them-Of-Being-Righties-Righties-Accuse-Them-Of-Being-Lefties self-congratulation…. Take you bow, Gentlemen! (Seriously, it’s well-earned, and you have every right to trumpet this as evidence of your reasonable-center(-right) bona fides. …I would!)Report

  8. Avatar Bob says:

    Jason strikes me as more whiny than cranky. Boo-hoo the ever evil liberals are misrepresenting god’s own people, conservatives. Jason, a request, how about one link that makes the claim that all republicans/conservatives are birthers. Perhaps that odious article from the Village Voice you mentioned a few days ago.Report

  9. Avatar Bob Cheeks says:

    Well, Barry was born in France, everyone knows that!
    BTW, how’s that ‘health care’ thing workin’ out for you?Report

  10. Avatar Nancy Irving says:

    “without having to actually debate the policy at all” –

    It seems to me that it’s the Tea-Party mobs shouting down their congressmen at town hall meetings who are refusing to allow debate.Report