mistakes were made


Freddie deBoer used to blog at lhote.blogspot.com, and may again someday. Now he blogs here.

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  1. E.D. Kain says:

    Wanna elaborate?Report

    • Bob in reply to E.D. Kain says:

      E.D., do you want to elaborate on the arguments and which a nameless “gentleman” talked you into deleting some large percentage of your post regarding the Dan Rheil Conor Friedersdorf conversation?Report

      • James in reply to Bob says:

        I miss that rant. 🙁Report

        • Bob in reply to James says:

          Ya know I lost exactly 97.8% of my respect for E.D.’s integrity over that episode.

          We all write things we regret, wish we could erase some ill considered comment. E.D., alas has the where-with-all to send his *errors* down the memory hole.

          As I recall Freddie had a great rant against Robert Stacy McCain way back when. Freddie later had second thoughts about what he said but he was man enough to apologies, or express some regrets, but he let the post stand. E.D. not so much. His ethics…. Well enough.Report

          • E.D. Kain in reply to Bob says:

            Look Bob, no individual OG talked me into doing that. I just got the distinct impression that everyone was very uncomfortable with the post, that it was a direction nobody wanted to take the site, that it was the possible start of a feud that I had no right dragging the rest of the group into. I wrote it on a day I’d felt especially cantankerous. I wrote it largely out of anger toward not just the target of that post but toward another target who we’ve all agreed we would never actually mention or link to for various reasons (but primarily in the hopes that said blogger would stop slandering various members of the League) and I felt that it was not only unfair to the rest of the group but to the person I wrote the post about. Beyond that, I decided it was the wrong tone entirely for this blog. It went too far. I retracted within an hour or two of the post’s appearance. I’m not sure if that’s simply taboo or what, but if I had to do it all over again I’d first of all likely not write the damn post to begin with, and if I had I wouldn’t have retracted. I would have added an update with an apology for having gone too far. So I made two mistakes at once, and rest assured, it has bothered me ever since. Losing 97.8% of your respect does not help matters, believe me, as I value each and every one of our readers and commenters opinions and take that sort of thing to heart. If it had been my blog and mine alone I would not have retracted anything. As I felt this was a group effort and putting others in an uncomfortable situation was unfair to them, I did.

            It was a generally bad day for me. Now the damn thing is good and lost forever. C’est la vie. So it goes. But believe me, I won’t do it again. I will confine myself to small edits and updates henceforth, and you have my apologies for letting you down.


            • Bob Cheeks in reply to E.D. Kain says:

              E.D. in the end ‘mistakes’ make us understand that we’re all fallible. I like being fallible,e.g. I like it when the brilliant MC attacks me, because she does the great service of reminding me of my shortcomings! No one thinks anyone is infallible, regardless of the ‘tone,’ and sometimes high snark is really good for the conversation.
              So, let us all make mistakes, correct them, express our gratitude to those who care enough to point us toward the light, and continue on in the Drama of Humanity.Report

              • E.D. Kain in reply to Bob Cheeks says:

                Thanks, Bob. I certainly agree – no one is infallible, and I am certainly as flawed as the next. That’s the thing about having to make choices, I suppose. They are often the wrong one’s. The goal, I think, is to increase the ratio of right to wrong decisions as we grow older – which, at least, I think I have begun to do.Report

              • Bob in reply to E.D. Kain says:

                E.D. This is my last comment on the subject.

                Thanks for the response.

                That 97.8% comment was designed to indicate some degree of humor (how could one arrive at such a number?) while also indicating my unease with your actions.

                Your pledge is good enough for me, you’ll sleep well tonight knowing that.

                I remain, getting all slobbery here, a big fan.Report

              • E.D. Kain in reply to Bob says:

                Thanks, Bob. I figured the number itself was tongue-in-cheek if not the sentiment. I do appreciate your candor in this, one way or another. 😉Report

    • Freddie in reply to E.D. Kain says:

      Damn I meant for this to be a minipost.

      Yeah I’ll elaborate in the near future.Report