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Freddie deBoer used to blog at lhote.blogspot.com, and may again someday. Now he blogs here.

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  1. Chris Dierkes says:


    I wouldn’t count Ahmadinejad in just yet. He might still hold power, but word that Khamenei has called for an investigation into the election is potentially a huge blow to Ahmadinejad. If–big if obviously–the Council of Guardians really does an investigation instead of a coverup Ahmadinejad’s goose may well be cooked.

    In other words, I could imagine a reverse scenario in which Mousavi comes to power which leads to a possible shakeup in the Netanyahu coalition.Report

  2. Freddie says:

    I desperately hope you’re right.Report

  3. “In times of war, the public retrenches to support of status quo governments and authoritarians, and particularly to those like Ahmadinejad who have no problem with enflaming ethnic and nationalist sentiments.”

    I think this is correct, although I don’t think it’s necessary to emphasize its relevance to authoritarians and those with a history of enflaming ethnic and nationalist sentiments. Without comparing Bush and Ahmadinejad on the merits, it’s worth remembering that in 2000, Bush won an election that was not exactly accepted as legitimate by a broad swath of the American public. Nine months later, the issue of that legitimacy ceased to be important.Report

  4. Jaybird says:

    I have it on good authority that the Iranian government would have changed hands peacefully had the Israeli government not been directly responsible for the plight of the Palestinians.Report

  5. As much as I am pained to admit it, my gut tells me that you are right and this movement will not accomplish what we all hope it will. I think there may be a little progress, but I also think that ultimately they will just say Ahmadinejad won by smaller margin than previously reported.Report

  6. Max says:

    Hi everyone, checking in from summer camp and see Freddie is still at it. Can you illustrate for us what makes Netanyahu “bent on war”? Using his past prime ministerial record, I mean. This seems to be a caricature to me, and one that has to ignore the Wye Accords, probably the most significant foreign policy act of Netanyahu’s first term.Report

  7. Freddie says:

    The entirety of his statements regarding Iran, both during the electoral season and since taking office, which have been dominated by Israel’s willingness to go to war against Iran.Report

  8. Freddie says:

    And note, in fact, that belligerence towards Iran was a prominent aspect of Netanyahu’s campaign posture.Report

  9. Max says:

    right, that’s what i thought you were talking about, which was why i asked you to contextualize netanyahu’s alleged natural inclination for war in his actual term in office, rather than his campaign rhetoric. is it possible to do so? is it fair to judge a politician on his rhetoric alone? that seems to be how netanyahu and the likud judge ahmahdinejad and the iranians — does that strike you as a reasonable and responsible way to take the measure of a political person or party?Report

  10. Chris Dierkes says:


    (Hope you are enjoying summer camp….I could use a vacation myself].

    I get what you are saying, but I think it’s worth remembering that these words about bombing/attacking take on real seriousness in light of the fact that Olmert explicitly asked and was denied permission to undertake just such an attack by President Bush.

    I guess my question would be: do you think Netanyahu supported that request from Olmert? My guess would be he would have.

    Now things change–even within that short amount of time. New PM, New President at the least.

    I imagine Bibi will have a hard time holding his coalition together by going for a Palestinian state and letting Iran ride (assuming some version of the current leadership stays in power).

    My sense is he might be dealing on one to hope to get backing on the other. But that’s just a wild guess on my part.Report