An Exceptionally Moral United States

Mark of New Jersey

Mark is a Founding Editor of The League of Ordinary Gentlemen, the predecessor of Ordinary Times.

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  1. E says:

    Exceptionalism. What rubbish. Though at least you have lived up to your name.Report

  2. raft says:

    Mark Thompson: “If you think the United States is just another country, or even just another Western country, then the moral issues of whether waterboarding is torture, or whether it was a war crime to drop the atomic bomb, can and perhaps should be either irrelevant or only of minor significance compared to whether those actions saved more lives than they cost.”

    what?????? Torture is evil. It is the evilest, most intrinsically wrong thing that is imaginable. Wiping out hundreds of thousands of civilians with an atomic bomb is also incredibly evil. The fact that they are so evil is all the goddamn justification we, or anyone else, need to not do them.

    that has nothing to do with whatever delusions you’ve cooked up in your head about the blinding greatness precious purity of America or whatever. It actually disturbs me greatly that you think one needs to be an American exceptionalist in order to be sufficiently disgusted with the direction this country took over the past decade. Simple ol’ patriotism is quite enough, I think.Report

  3. Raft: I did not say that one needs to be an exceptionalist to have a problem with the direction this country has headed in recent years. The point of this essay was merely that if one is an exceptionalist, then one must be concerned about far more than just the utilitarian calculus. I was not expressing an opinion on whether someone who is not an exceptionalist should consider moral issues. I am fully aware that those who have expressed the greatest moral outrage in this arena are, by and large, people who are most definitely not exceptionalists, for which I do not hesitate to applaud them.Report

  4. greg says:

    This talk of exceptionalism can be so out of touch, if not downright offensive. It amounts to an assertion of moral superiority, and allows the opposite, moral inferiority, to be thrown right back in America’s face. The examples you cite – using the atomic bomb, torture, combined with those you don’t mention, such as having the highest incarceration rate in the world, continued use of the death penalty about once a week, etc — only confirm the case for negative exceptionalism. Do you think the USA is the only country with moral ideals? That every place else has only “rational self-interest?” It’s true that idealism is present in the founding documents, and arguably true that on one reading the aim is to work those ideals pure as history unfolds. Meanwhile, parliamentary democracies elsewhere have muddled through pragmatically to achieve a measure of justice in social and economic policies, in reigning in the executive branch, and so on. It seems to me that it’s both morally wise and in the rational self interest of the United States to avoid talk of exceptionalism, at least of kind expressed here.Report

  5. Greg: I think you’re missing the point of the exceptionalism I’m trying to outline here. What I’m trying to argue is that there is something exemplary about the American foundational documents, examples that by and large the rest of the world now follows. But if America is to be exceptional, it must act exceptionally (ie, morally); it should be an example to follow, not a source of excuses for injustice. My point here is that the failure to self-criticize, or the belief that everything the US does is inherently exceptional, has utterly undermined those ideals. What I am arguing for here is that the idea of an “exceptional country” must be continually earned, not just assumed. And the only way it can be earned is if the US acts morally and exemplary in the international arena. It should try to lead by example, not by force.

    Moreover, I have written extensively in the past that I think quite a few European countries have surpassed the US in terms of actually living up to the ideals expressed in the US foundational documents. I have also written on a few occasions that I think denigration of Europe by the American Right is utterly hypocritical, misplaced, and ignorant of actual facts.

    All I’m arguing for here is that I am proud of the ideas expressed in the US Constitution and Declaration of Independence, and that the fact that those ideals were literally the basis for our union is something that is unique – we are not supposed to be a country united by tribe or clan or ethnicity but by a specific set of ideals. But if we are to be united by those ideals, then we have to live up to them, and we have to be honest about when those ideals are breached, which is far more often than we often care to admit.Report

  6. Shorter me: I don’t believe in an exceptionalism in which the US is entitled to lecture the world what to do. I do, however, believe in an exceptionalism in which the US simply seeks to lead by example, trusting that other countries will follow suit. I am not in the least arguing that the US system of government is inherently morally superior to any other country; rather I am arguing that the US government should have as a major goal to be the single most ethical government on the planet, a goal that it has too often fallen short of reaching.Report

  7. Katherine says:

    Mark –

    I’m no fan of American exceptionalism, but you do make a good point. Far too often “exceptionalism” is used in the sense of “make exceptions for us”, ie., an act is wrong except when America does it or it serves America’s interests. I’m skeptical when Americans make claims about their country being the “most free” in the world, as I don’t see anything to strongly suggest the US is substantively more free than Canada, Britain or various European nations. But it is still exceptional in some ways, something I’ve come to understand in studying French history. In the century following the Revolution France went through half a dozen or more different governments trying to hit upon a proper model, and continued changing it up to de Gaulle. Somehow, amazingly, America managed to get it right on the first try; not “right” as in perfect, but right in that your system of government has endured without ever being overthrown or experiencing a national revolution. That’s undeniably impressive. As a Canadian, I can’t help envying you your founders.

    I don’t consider your argument dependent on America being exceptional. Any democracy could use it, because citizens of any democracy would at least like to believe that their country acts based on what’s right rather than purely on what’s expedient. But for Americans seeking about for a message condemning the evils done by their country while nonetheless retaining strong patriotic notes, yours is a good one.

    America, in anything resembling its current state, will never become “the most ethical government on the planet”. Ethics and power do not go well together, and I cannot ever see America’s citizens – setting aside its government – consenting to lose their global preeminence. That preeminence, the imperial ideas it is entangled with, cannot be defended in a manner consistent with ethics. Most of America’s ethical failings in the last century have not been in response to existential threats, but to relatively minor threats to America’s power and authority – in Guatemala, Iran, Chile, Nicaragua, Panama, Iraq and many others that never posed a danger to the safety of the country or its citizens.Report

  8. Bob Cheeks says:

    M.T., you stepped in it this time! However, the responses and your comments have made my morning….keep up the good work!Report

  9. Will says:

    Great post, Mark.Report

  10. Katherine: I think you get my point pretty well, and I can’t emphasize enough that I agree with your skepticism about claims of the US being the “most free” country in the world – there are in fact few things that grate on my ears more than Americans who denigrate every other country as some kind of outpost of slavery.

    The only disagreement I’d have with you – and it’s one of degree, not kind – is with this statement:

    “I don’t consider your argument dependent on America being exceptional. Any democracy could use it, because citizens of any democracy would at least like to believe that their country acts based on what’s right rather than purely on what’s expedient.”

    To a large extent you’re right, of course. My disagreement is just that I think this counts doubly for the US because of its history. Peoples of other liberal nations absolutely should be extraordinarily concerned with the ethics of their government; but with some notable exceptions, what defines other liberal democratic nations isn’t that they are a liberal democracy, but rather that they are a nation with a common heritage. For example, what defines the nation of Austria (which is one country that has surpassed the US by most measures of freedom) isn’t its system of government, but the fact that most of its people are Austrians – Austria would still exist under a different system of government. But take away the American system of governance, and Americans largely cease to be Americans. I would argue that this is exactly what happens a little every time we fail to examine in painful detail the sins of our present and past or question whether those sins were truly worth committing; in so doing, we acquiesce to the undermining of the very ideals that we like to think define us as a people.Report

  11. Bob Cheeks: Thanks (I think). 😉Report

  12. Freddie says:

    There is no value to the question, “Is America more or less moral than other countries?” There is only value in the question, “Is America moral?”Report

  13. Jaybird says:

    Mark, I dig the post and I understand absolutely what you were going for.

    And, for the record, I think that most of your critics agree (though not in so many words). If there is a crisis in some 4th world country, the general attitude is that The US Ought To Do Something. If there is a tidal wave, we need to do something. If there is a drought, we need to do something. If there is a famine, we need to do something. Moreover, not just “the government” but the people donating to charity and the people volunteering… to the point where it makes sense after a disaster of some sort on the other side of the globe to say “we didn’t do enough!” when it would never occur to them to say such a thing about, say, Poland.

    I would say that they may have a point when it comes to the tackiness of pointing this out… but, hey, tacky is yet another area where the United States is the best in the world. If they don’t like it, maybe they can move to a country where the tackiness quotient is 3 or under… you know, like Somalia.Report

  14. Freddie:
    “There is no value to the question, “Is America more or less moral than other countries?” There is only value in the question, “Is America moral?”

    I agree. However, I think that there is also quite a bit of value in the question “Ought America be more or less moral than other countries?” That to me is the real question that should underly exceptionalism; when exceptionalists ask “Is America more moral than other countries?” they ignore that the answer to that question is “no” unless America actually acts more morally than other countries.Report

  15. raft says:

    Mark: okay, i apologize. I didn’t read your post carefully.

    That, said I still don’t understand what Exceptionalism is really good for. You seem to be saying that our ideals and society are a sort of inheritance or birthright that’s been passed down to us from previous generations, and it’s our obligation to keep that inheritance in good shape and maybe even improve upon it. As far as that goes, I think that’s right. But we can accept those obligations without asserting that they are objectively exceptional or superior ones. That’s what galls me about the triumphalist America-as-hero-of-the-world narrative. Exceptionalism is fundamentally premised on an assertion that we’re better than some other societies in some essentialist (as opposed to contingent) way. It defines us in relation to other countries and makes our conception of ourselves dependent on them. Thus the constant fear that random X bogeyman (Soviet Union, China, India) is going to usurp our place as the “shining city on a hill,” and the constant arrogance that we somehow deserve to be, or should be, there indefinitely. You acknowledge this undercurrent of exceptionalism when you define it as, “the US government should have as a major goal to be the single most ethical government on the planet.” Why *most*? Is it really so important to make it as a goal of national policy an explicit project to make ourselves *superior* to others?

    Why can’t we just say that we ought to try to improve ourselves and be better than we were, irrespective of what the rest of the world is doing or not doing? I suppose that way of thinking isn’t very exceptional, but on the contrary very ordinary. I strongly believe everyone would be better off if we adopted it.Report

  16. Cascadian says:

    “take away the American system of governance, and Americans largely cease to be Americans. I would argue that this is exactly what happens a little every time we fail to examine in painful detail the sins of our present and past or question whether those sins were truly worth committing; in so doing, we acquiesce to the undermining of the very ideals that we like to think define us as a people.”

    I really liked this passage. Of course, I’d argue that there are a number of different kind of “people” or social orders contained within the US which make the situation some what untenableReport

  17. E.D. Kain says:

    First off, great post Mark. What you are saying seems to be that the very term “exceptional(ism/ist)” has been co-opted by what really amounts to apologists for American hawkishness. There is no shame in being fiercely proud of one’s country; there is a wide divide between nationalism or show-patriotism, and true (profound) pride in one’s homeland. I think it’s important to take back the right to love and find exceptional our nation from those who simply use this attitude to justify our every action. We can love a child and still not condone their behavior, after all. Our country is no different.

    Freddie:

    There is only value in the question, “Is America moral?”

    I’m not sure about this, actually. It seems far too broad – and even should we narrow it down to “Is America’s government moral?” that still leaves out a great deal of the important considerations. I think we can only take it on a case by case basis – “Is America’s policy toward the Middle East (or Africa, or South America) moral?” and then, even further perhaps, to “Which of America’s actions and policies in such and such region are moral and which aren’t…and why?” And morality is such a dicey issue – we do often have to break it down to cause and effect, because good intentions, after all, can often be moral but still have horrible consequences….Report

  18. Raft: I think there’s a big difference between what I’ll call positive or empirical exceptionalism and the normative exceptionalism that I’m trying to describe here. In fact, I think they’re in some ways antithetical to each other. Empirical exceptionalism rests on a claim that the US is inherently superior to other countries: it assumes that no matter how immorally the US may act, it is entitled to do so because of that inherent exceptionalism – in other words, the morality of the US’ actions is a given. Relatedly, it is also external-looking – since the US is inherently exceptional under this view, the only way that exceptionalism can be destroyed is if some foreign country beats it.

    I reject such a view. Instead, my normative exceptionalism views exceptionalism as a goal rather than as a given. Under this view, the US is exceptional only insofar as it lives up to the ideals with which it was founded, ideals that that are of undeniably world-historical importance. If the US does not lead the way, or try to lead the way, in exemplifying those ideals, then I think the strength of those ideals is weakened, which is bad for everyone the world over.Report

  19. E.D. – thanks, and that is in many ways exactly what I was trying to do with this post.Report

  20. raft says:

    Jaybird: “And, for the record, I think that most of your critics agree (though not in so many words). If there is a crisis in some 4th world country, the general attitude is that The US Ought To Do Something. “

    I do not agree.

    The underlying assumption behind trying to save the rest of the world is that by virtue of our wealth and power and just general awesomeness we have the authority (economic, political, military, moral, religious) to go around trying to reshape other societies in our superior image. Our attention is directed outward, at other people, instead of inwards, at ourselves. That is the logic of empire.

    But we do not have this kind of authority. That is not a moral statement I am making, it is an empirical fact of reality. The history of the United States over the past four or five decades is one of overextension in disastrous overseas ventures of marginal utility while ignoring long festering problems at home. We were so focused on the travails and tribulations of faraway people that we forgot about putting our own house in order. The truth is that no empire in human history, not Rome, not the British and not America, has ever had the kind of unlimited power necessary to legitimately claim the mantle of god-like authority over the entire human race. We are not gods. And our imperial delusions and pretensions, just the ones of all those who came before us, can only ultimately end in disaster. The more unrecoverable blood and treasure we fling away into the ephemeral wind of empire, the less we have to take on the core problems of the home society. The last Presidential administration literally spent more time worrying about the oil sharing revenue agreement in Iraq than it did about the collapsing health care system in the United States. Empire corrodes in this fundamental way our sense of which things are truly important, and which are peripheral. And now we see the result: economic, financial, political, military, social catastrophe. In attempting to overreach our authority beyond all reasonable limit, we lost much of the authority that we actually had.

    It is long past time we shed the arrogance and the delusions of exceptionalism. Not only because it is wrong, but because it’s crazy and insane. we can put out as many random brush fires in the middle east or africa as we want, it won’t matter, because those are simply marginal concerns of little true importance. meanwhile half of black kids don’t graduate high school and the manufacturing sector outsourced itself to to the third world and we’re drowning in trillions of dollars of debt and real wages have been stagnant for decades and and the banks have a death grip on the political process and our obsolete mid-20th infrastructure is crumbling and the only discernible industrial policy we have is to build a lot of tanks and fighter jets and bombs. Oh, and China and India are growing at astonishing rates. Oh, and peak oil. And climate change. and massive technological change. Forget about the rest of the world, it will be a great, defining generational challenge to just save ourselves.Report

  21. raft says:

    E.D. Kain: “What you are saying seems to be that the very term “exceptional(ism/ist)” has been co-opted by what really amounts to apologists for American hawkishness. There is no shame in being fiercely proud of one’s country; there is a wide divide between nationalism or show-patriotism, and true (profound) pride in one’s homeland.”

    i think that a investigation of the history of the concept of exceptionalism will show that it was never in any sense “co-opted” by the hawks but in fact from the beginning always was, and always will be, a vehicle for the manifest destiny of the hawks and their pretensions to empire via military and economic conquest. It is no accident that the so-called exceptionalists have continually turned a blind eye to three centuries of domestic social injustices stretching from slavery all the way through gay rights. However they never met a war they didn’t like.

    I like your family metaphor for patriotism, though I prefer to analogize love and pride for country to love and pride for one’s parents. However, just like it is childish to really believe your parents are objectively the best and most superior parents in every respect, as opposed to just your parents with many wonderful qualities and achievements but also flaws and mistakes, national exceptionalism is a primitive myth that ought to be discarded by civilized people.Report

  22. Creon Critic says:

    Mark: Given your qualifications, doesn’t every country have access to this normative exceptionalism? What aspect, if any, makes it American? Given the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the subsequent international human rights regime – what gives America any privileged access to this moral space of striving? These impulses towards inclusive, multicultural communities exist in at least, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and the UK. Might I add that these peers of America (at least in development, and liberal democracy status) are good international citizens. That is to say, they are party to more of the core international human rights treaties, and have more readily incorporated these norms into their domestic legal systems; witness the debate about ‘foreign’ law in US Supreme Court decisions.

    I tend to agree with Michael Ignatieff when he remarks that,

    …the United States – increasingly stands apart. As international rights conventions proliferate, as newer states like South Africa adopt new rights regimes and older states Like Canada constitutionalize rights in new charters of rights and freedoms, the American Bill of Rights stands out in ever sharper relief, as a late eighteenth-century constitution surrounded by twenty-first century ones, a grandfather clock in a shop window full of digital timepieces.

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  23. Creon Critic: What makes it uniquely American is simply that it is the entire raison d’etre of our nation. I’ve explained time and again that I don’t think moral striving is something to which the US has “privileged access”; instead, I am simply saying that moral striving in government action should be doubly important to the US because those moral ideals lie at the very foundation of what makes the US, well, the US.Report

  24. Creon Critic: I should add that I obviously find that moral striving to be woefully lacking for quite some time.Report

  25. Jaybird says:

    “As international rights conventions proliferate, as newer states like South Africa adopt new rights regimes and older states Like Canada constitutionalize rights in new charters of rights and freedoms, the American Bill of Rights stands out in ever sharper relief, as a late eighteenth-century constitution surrounded by twenty-first century ones, a grandfather clock in a shop window full of digital timepieces. ”

    Compare Canadian ideas of free speech with American ideas of free speech (for example).

    The American idea is that people can say what they want, pretty much. You can’t stop them.

    The Canadian idea is… well, let’s just call it “anemic” in comparison.

    That’s the main one off the top of my head but I’m going to jump ahead and call it representative. If you believe that Human Rights are seated in the individual, then America is the “Rolex” among a group of Timex Ironmans.

    If, however, you see “Human Rights” as seated in the society or culture or granted by the government… well, then you have to admit that we can’t judge attitudes toward homosexuality in Pakistan. Or attitudes towards women’s rights in Saudi Arabia. Or “free speech” in Canada.

    Fundamentally we have to ask “where are human rights seated” and if the answer is “the individual”, then that gives us a hell of a lot more “so now what”s than if the answer is “the culture”.

    I’m much more a fan of the ideal of Enlightenment Values than the ideal of post-Enlightenment ones… mostly because the post-Enlightenment folks are becoming more and more indistinguishable from folks unfamiliar with Enlightenment Values.Report

  26. Jaybird says:

    Raft, you deserve a response to that and I’m formulating one but I keep running into the problem of “isolationism/non-interventionism” invoking John Birchism in my head. If I went on to say that I have trouble seeing a major difference between “imposition of *OUR* cultural values on Iraq” and “imposition of *OUR* cultural values on Houston”, you may see where I’m having the most trouble with your proposed solution.

    I’m still chewing on this.Report

  27. Bob Cheeks says:

    Previous comment was as compliment; excellent post!

    How about this query: How moral is America to her citizens?Report

  28. Jaybird says:

    “How moral is America to her citizens?”

    What are our Human Rights? Depending on your answer, you will get *VERY* different answers to your question.

    If the answer is something like “free speech, a free press, etc”, then the US is pretty good. If the answer is “access for poor diabetic children to the best diabetes treatments money can buy”, you’ll get another.Report

  29. Cascadian says:

    “If I went on to say that I have trouble seeing a major difference between “imposition of *OUR* cultural values on Iraq” and “imposition of *OUR* cultural values on Houston”, you may see where I’m having the most trouble with your proposed solution.”

    I got a good chuckle out of this. The true limits of nation building?Report

  30. Bob Cheeks says:

    Jaybird: excellent differentiation. Question: what obligations does the central gov’t have for her citizens?Report

  31. Jaybird says:

    “what obligations does the central gov’t have for her citizens?”

    Well, the primary answer seems to me to be “to govern with the consent of the governed.”Report

  32. Creon Critic says:

    Bob Cheeks & Jaybird: Consent of what proportion of the governed? Is a majority enough? I’d see a lot more substantively in there, like equal protection under the law. I also see responsibilities to the citizen qua citizen. ‘Don’t be evil,’ isn’t enough. ‘Be good,’ is important too. Shorthand, promote human dignity. Longhand, don’t enslave, don’t torture, etc., etc., UDHR. Yes some ridicule ‘periodic holidays with pay,’ (Article 24), but in a pinch I’d say work-life balance is a fairly important thing, to the individual and the society. There are tensions, but I don’t see asserting second and third generation human rights as quashing the individual, on the whole they seem fairly empowering. In terms of first, second, and third generation rights, they’re, on the whole, interdependent and mutually reinforcing.

    Mark: To be honest, this is the first thing that came to mind upon reading just the title of your post,

    …the fact that many of the images are on postcards. The people who approved of or participated in these crimes sent photos of them via the U.S. mail, to share their subhuman pleasure with others. One of the postcards reads: “This is the barbecue we had last night.”… That ordinary people did these things is deeply disturbing; that they manufactured a social rationale for their acts is more disturbing still. Look for a while at the picture of the lynching of Rubin Stacy, Fort Lauderdale, Florida, 1930. Look first at Stacy, then turn to the little girl in the summer dress, looking at Stacy, and then to the man behind her, perhaps her father, in the spotless white shirt and slacks and the clean white skimmer. They will stand there forever, admiring the proof of their civilization.

    That is to say alongside, the founders and all that good stuff of American civilization, is the profoundly troubling – as you acknowledged “a scale with an unforgivable oversight, allowance of slavery.” But I want to make a claim that both are a part of the American identity; to me, America is ambiguous in a way that isn’t fully captured in statements like, “Other nations would not lose their identity if they ceased to be liberal democracies; the US would.” Or, “those moral ideals lie at the very foundation of what makes the US, well, the US.”

    Slavery, Jim Crow, the father-daughter pair also lie at the foundation of what makes the US the US. They are part of what make the US (like its peers & their atrocities) an aspirant to the title, liberal democracy – not a rightful claimant. The project of normative exceptionalism appears to skim off the best bits, incorporate them into American identity and fail to grapple with the deep ambiguities at America’s core – well, fail to grapple in the sense that they are stepping stones, or chapters, or past, or overcome. Under a rubric of exceptionalism the brutality becomes transitory and the ideal becomes an ever present fixture; the brutal are out-of-character elements in the American experience. I’d contend that both the brutal and the sublime are ongoing themes; the brutal is never vanquished.

    This is all coming out a lot less clearly than I’d have liked, I’ll just add that Graham Greene’s the Quiet American also came to mind. There’s something dangerous brewed in the mix of innocence, self-righteousness, and power that ‘American exceptionalism’ calls forth. Perhaps raft is right, exceptionalism is simply too loaded, to full of other baggage to quiet fit the gap between the ideals of America and the reality of America. “the United States is just another country,” – brings to mind the quip: Remember your unique. Just like everyone else.

    Shorter CC: It is just as wrong to tell ourselves we’re the superhero as it is to claim we’re the supervillain. We are merely human, with all the courage and the cowardice that that entails – as is vividly evidence by the torture memos. Our carefully crafted institutions, checks and balances, are as fragile a human project as any other.Report

  33. Jaybird says:

    “‘Don’t be evil,’ isn’t enough. ‘Be good,’ is important too.”

    I think that “Don’t be evil” might be the business of the government. Prevent murder, rape, etc. If someone is evil, the government can put them in the Panopticon until they are ready to rejoin society. Sure.

    “Be good”? I don’t know about that. Does that mean accepting gay marriage or protecting traditional marriage? Does that mean accepting community standards or does that mean asserting a deep right to privacy? Does that mean respecting freedom of expression or does that mean protecting The Children?

    “Don’t be evil” strikes me as a great rule of thumb.

    “Be good”? Eh. I wouldn’t want you to have a single power to make me be a better person that I wouldn’t want in the hands of Ted Haggard.

    No offense.

    That said, there are quite a few powers that I wouldn’t mind you (or Ted Haggard, for that matter) having to prevent evil.Report

  34. E.D. Kain says:

    “Good” can also mean intervening in huge expensive wars with no end in sight….Report