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Freddie deBoer used to blog at lhote.blogspot.com, and may again someday. Now he blogs here.

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  1. Avatar John says:

    Thanks, Freddie. You’re right, of course.

    But … I don’t THINK that Helen’s “Hear, hear” was meant for RSMcC – I assumed she was seconding the commenter before her, who wrote:

    … there are plenty of us ‘hicks in the sticks’ who looked at Palin and saw a complete inversion of Biblical Womanhood and that is the reason we couldn’t support her (or the other McCain).

    There are many conservatives that feel equally repulsed by the influence of ivy league scribblers and feminism. And don’t like to see their movement diminished by either.

    Maybe I’m wrong, but that seems much more in tune with Helen’s thinking than the post itself. Or maybe not.Report

  2. Avatar Freddie says:

    I considered that– but how could Helen be opposed to “ivy league scribblers and feminism”?Report

  3. “A tedious nothing”! Instant classic, Freddie. I owe you a beer for that one.Report

  4. Avatar Cascadian says:

    Freddie you’re being too kind once again. Why do you guys even respond to this overgrown troll?Report

  5. Avatar Max Socol says:

    I’m pretty sure he wasn’t joking, Robert Stacy. But props for trying to take it like a man.Report

  6. Sometimes a little outrage in one’s writing is appropriate. This is one of those times. Well said. I’d say that this whole back and forth exemplifies everything we’ve been talking about in our series on Partisanship.Report

  7. Avatar matoko_chan says:

    I think back to Helen’s tribalism post, which is how I first read her.
    I think I said something like this.
    In the bad old days of the EEA (environment of evolutionary adaptation) tribes formed from consanginous kinship bonds. Super-tribes like religions formed as a means of spreading membership and fitness benefit to a wider memetic (instead of just genetic) tribe.
    Government is an attempt to form a Meta-tribe of geolocation, insuring that more populous super-tribes do not oppress teh less populous.
    Conservatives are having a very hard time seeing beyond the boundaries of their tribe.
    Liberals….especially with Obama…seem to see the possibility that we are really one tribe…..the tribe of homosapiens sapiens.
    Which tribe will get more membership and more reps do you think?Report

  8. Avatar matoko_chan says:

    I liked this very much, Freddie.

    Her position on party and loyalty threatens to leave her like the person who, out of loyalty, refuses to take the keys from her drunk friend, right before he drives her off of a cliff.

    Keep on bringin’ the sass please.Report

  9. Nope, Freddie, Robert Stacy McCain came by my respect honestly. He’s the kind of smart you get by being a real reader who reads a lot, which, to someone who just spent four years at an Ivy League school, is refreshing.

    A few of the reasons why he’s on my RSS feed can be found here, here, and the update here. I appreciate his quote here especially: “I shudder to think what idiocy I might have wrought if I’d been catapulted into the midst of Washington policy disputes in my 20s.” Would that everyone regarded my age bracket with such charity!

    Heck, RSM says nice things about Poulos. How anti-intellectual can he be?

    I already regret stepping into a fight where I have such affection for all the actors, but, Freddie, if you’re worried that our rational democratic discourse will be polluted by a hot-blooded, brawling, gonzo spirit, just remember: that’s what they said about the Irish.

    P.S. “How could Helen be opposed to ‘ivy league scribblers and feminism'” was a joke, right?Report

  10. Avatar Bob says:

    Great Fun! Thanks Freddie.Report

  11. Avatar Freddie says:

    I already regret stepping into a fight where I have such affection for all the actors, but, Freddie, if you’re worried that our rational democratic discourse will be polluted by a hot-blooded, brawling, gonzo spirit, just remember: that’s what they said about the Irish.

    When in Rome, I do as the Romulans do.Report

  12. A couple points.

    1. What’re the right wing dolts going to do once Mr. Ordinary USA is a bilingual, second generation Hispanic-American living in some urban ethnic enclave? That is, when Joe the Plumber is overtaken by Jose the Gardener (not to traffic in stereotypes or anything…)?

    2. “For all their faults and failings, those hicks are better people than you are — and that’s why you hate them so much. ”

    Ah, no conservonut blog post is complete without the inevitable resort to 10 cent psychology.Report

  13. What’re the right wing dolts going to do once Mr. Ordinary USA is a bilingual, second generation Hispanic-American living in some urban ethnic enclave? That is, when Joe the Plumber is overtaken by Jose the Gardener?

    Huckabee and Palin both fell victim to the fallacy that hicks can only ever appeal to other hicks. I’m an Ivy League punk, yet I reject neither of them out of hand.

    (Which is not to say that I’m a thorough fan of either.)

    The New England blue-blood demographic is shrinking, too, yet the Bush family won three presidential elections.Report

  14. Avatar Cascadian says:

    “Huckabee and Palin both fell victim to the fallacy that hicks can only ever appeal to other hicks. I’m an Ivy League punk, yet I reject neither of them out of hand. ”

    I don’t think anyone argues that spending four years sleeping in the Ivy, or even having a great intellect, are silver bullets for anything. Husserl was a pretty smart lad.Report

  15. Avatar Bob says:

    I’m as left as they come but I would never call Huckabee a hick. But calling Palin a hick is to give hicks a bad name.

    I would love the hear a couple of points you can give in favor of Palin.Report

  16. Avatar matoko_chan says:

    Rawr, Helen you should reject them out of hand.
    The Noble Yeoman is not capable of leading in teh Age of Complexity.
    They simply don’t have the substrate.
    The sooner all parties involved can cowboy up and admit that the sooner we can move on.
    😉Report

  17. Avatar matoko_chan says:

    Pardon, teh Noble Yeoman Farmer.Report

  18. Avatar matoko_chan says:

    Helen you are blinkeredblinded onto the past.
    Everything evolves.
    Do you think a Bush will ever win again?
    Jeb sure doesn’t.Report

  19. “What’re the right wing dolts going to do once Mr. Ordinary USA is a bilingual, second generation Hispanic-American living in some urban ethnic enclave? That is, when Joe the Plumber is overtaken by Jose the Gardener (not to traffic in stereotypes or anything…)?”

    We’ve already got Tito the Builder. I’m sure you’d label me a right-wing dolt, and I for one think Tito is great.

    Why do you ask?Report

  20. Avatar BP says:

    Freddie well he’s a fabbro, yet your politicall obverse, non?

    The canticle was a hold of flowers
    A temporary hold. A little many guessed
    Yours the supplest of towers
    Yours the sapping hold on jest.Report

  21. Congratulations, Freddie, on writing one of the most shallow blog posts I’ve read in a long while. It’s quite an achievement.

    Have you ever read anything that doesn’t simply reinforce your existing views? You should try it some day.Report

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